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7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

 
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Old 02-09-2014, 04:03 AM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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Guys I need a little help here… I think I am doing things right with what I have but I will do the short version… It is too late to send Butterbean a text so I figured I would come here and Pick the brains of all y'all at once…
As some of you know I have 2 STWs. One rem 700 from hill county rifles and another model 70 that I had done by a local guy. Anyway, for my montana hunt I reloaded 20 rounds. turns out the seater die was set too deep and buggered up the shoulder area and the shells would not work. Today, I decided to try and fix that problem so I pulled all the bullets and started to resize the cases. Well, they would not fit in my 700. The 70 no problem. So I then started trimming the cases because I measured and they were a little long. Still would not chamber in the 700. I figured maybe I have to push the shoulder back…. I know many of you talk about it by .002 but I do not know how to do this…..

I dialed the die in a turn at a time and after 3-4 times, it would chamber…. I thought FInally!!!!! So, I tried with the next one and got a case stuck…. Stripped the lip at the base of the case….. Hit the primer ejector piece from my lee die with a mallet and got it out… Now, the primer ejector and the neck expander are stuck in the case..( same part I know.) End of the story, I am tired of messing with it so not till maņana….
but I need to pull the expander out…. It won't go into the little screw piece because I think i dented it a little and it seems as though the tolerances around the expander acre piece are very tight….

So, anyone see this before??? Am I doing it right??? Should I push the shoulder a little at a time??? I did not lube them first… maybe that would help….
wither way, good night… And let me know what you think…

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Mario
Mario of I'm reading you right you probably have a little more generous neck area in the 70 than you do in the HCR as in a "no turn neck" on the 70.

If it were me I'd take one that's not chambering and smoke it and slowly slip it forward till it makes contact and pull it out an see exactly where it's making contact.

Are you beveling slightly after resizing and trimming? You can get some spreading of the leading edge of the neck at times which will cause them to hang.

If you smoke one and work it a bit I'll bet you figure it out.

If you have a micrometer that will fit, check the thickness of the necks on those that do fit and those that don't.

Something else you can do would be to mic a fired case from each one checking the outer neck diameter right at the lip.
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Old 02-09-2014, 11:30 AM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

By smoking u mean put a match or lighter to get it black?
Then gently slide into the chamber to see where it contacts?

If I do that, how do I them change my die??
By the way, die has a case stuck so I have to solve that issue first.
I'll measure the wall thickness. I have a standard electronic micrometer so I hope that will work.

Work in progress I guess. Hahahahha
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Old 02-09-2014, 07:42 PM
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By smoking u mean put a match or lighter to get it black?
Then gently slide into the chamber to see where it contacts?

If I do that, how do I them change my die??
By the way, die has a case stuck so I have to solve that issue first.
I'll measure the wall thickness. I have a standard electronic micrometer so I hope that will work.

Work in progress I guess. Hahahahha
Thanks rose!!!
If the necks have thickened you'll have to turn them down specifically for that rifle. What I'd probably do is save my brass from that rifle and mic the wall thickness and save one loaded round that chambers fine.

carefully remove the bullet from that loaded round and mic it both outer diameter and wall thickness. Then turn down your fired bras to match the wall thickness, resize it, mic it again and compare the neck to one that's chambering fine.

Pain in the ass but it's the shortest route to success I can think of short of just tossing those that don't chamber at all.

Yes, what I mean by smoking is to soot it up with a candle or match, not sure if a match will do it as they burn pretty cleanly but give it a try with what you have.

As for what to do when you know for sure where the contact is, that'll depend on what it shows.
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Old 02-10-2014, 11:52 AM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

I always use lube when re-sizing

I usually only turn them a 1/4 or less while adjusting

But what usually is the problem with my cases not chambering / stcking/hard to chamber is that I have bulged out the brass by pushing back the shoulder to far
sometimes hard to see .sometimes plain as day , mic it just were the shoulder starts to taper in

I never had the problem be a thick neck
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Old 02-10-2014, 12:13 PM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

I figured out the problem. I have two guns. Different chambers. I fire formed in the first one and try to reload into the second one this did not work. I figured it out and now I will buy 2 dies and separate the brass. Thank you for your help
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

3rd generation has RL25...
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3rd generation has RL25...
Thanks for the head's up.
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