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7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

 
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:41 PM
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Last week i called Sierra. The conversation began with a question on twist, velocity and bullet weight and wound up back to velocity. The fella knew my questions before i could ask and had the answer awaiting me...over and over. I know Berger 180's are the topic and some may ask, why is this nut bringing Sierra into this?
Ok...Sierra 180 HPBT . Hmm...recommendations were for 2900-3100 fps. Awesome idea! Personally i don't see the need in launching a 180 any faster. Good Lord! That's a chunk man!
I do have some Bergers loaded with 82 grains of US869. I've not used a chronograph yet, so i have no idea of the mph, but...the holes in the target touch each other at considerable range.

As far as the STW is concerned, the 180 grainers aren't the choicest for speed. I like 140's for that.
Thgose guys at Sierra know their stuff. Even when you're talking about other brands of bullets. You're right about the Velocity of the 180 VLDs. I'm actually pushing mine just about 3100FPS. They Shoot Wonderfully. It's interesting that your will shoot US869, mine wouldn't group with it. I'm shooting 80g of Retumbo. With my bullets seated almost to the lands, I have more room to fit the extra powder with out a pressure problem.

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Old 05-07-2013, 10:44 PM
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I have an aquaintance who swears by the 175 gr sierra game kings. Anybody out there have any experience with them in the STW?
Not on game yet, but they will shoot 1 hole groups out of my rifle and still be seated to fit in the magazine. Still looking to see if I can up the velocity some more and retain the accuracy.

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Old 05-08-2013, 06:35 AM
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I really don't know if any testing has been done in Balistics gel. I do know that the current hunting VLDs are the same as the old standard VLDs that they first made. The Target VLDs were made to address the vaporizing problem. I have cross sectioned both a Target and a hunting VLD and the diffrence isn't much.

I assume that driven fast enough they should behave like the hunting VLDs. Berger hasn't (to my knowledge) tested them for hunting purposes. There are a few guys, I remember hearing about but can't remember names, who have used them and didn't have issues.

As far as Velocity, you got me. They should come appart quite easily, but a thicker jacket when pointed like the VLD would be pretty thick and might just behave like a FMJ and pass though with out expanding at all. You'd have to give them a try.

Dan
I wish ballistics gel wasn't so damn expensive, or I'd do my own experiments. I still might one day, just to do a side x side comparrison.
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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Last week i called Sierra. The conversation began with a question on twist, velocity and bullet weight and wound up back to velocity. The fella knew my questions before i could ask and had the answer awaiting me...over and over. I know Berger 180's are the topic and some may ask, why is this nut bringing Sierra into this?
Ok...Sierra 180 HPBT . Hmm...recommendations were for 2900-3100 fps. Awesome idea! Personally i don't see the need in launching a 180 any faster. Good Lord! That's a chunk man!
I do have some Bergers loaded with 82 grains of US869. I've not used a chronograph yet, so i have no idea of the mph, but...the holes in the target touch each other at considerable range.

As far as the STW is concerned, the 180 grainers aren't the choicest for speed. I like 140's for that.
80, THe folks at Sierra are great people thats for sure and they have been a big help to me over the years and the Bullets the offer are tried and true ......the Gameking is like the Partition,It a no question Bullet, Now I have said this before but it was you were in the hood..... This is just my way of doing things.......when I find a load that shoots to my standards, thats when I use the Chrony .....I look at the speed only( if its shooting sub moa I dont care what the FS and SD are ......its just a number) and then I figure my Ballistics from there........My thinking is, if its accurate I dont care how fast its going...Thats what your elevation dial is for .........My Two Cents
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80, THe folks at Sierra are great people thats for sure and they have been a big help to me over the years and the Bullets the offer are tried and true ......the Gameking is like the Partition,It a no question Bullet, Now I have said this before but it was you were in the hood..... This is just my way of doing things.......when I find a load that shoots to my standards, thats when I use the Chrony .....I look at the speed only( if its shooting sub moa I dont care what the FS and SD are ......its just a number) and then I figure my Ballistics from there........My thinking is, if its accurate I dont care how fast its going...Thats what your elevation dial is for .........My Two Cents
I have to completely agree with this. If it's an accurate load, it doesn't matter if it's 50fps slower than you anticipated. It's still gonna work better than a faster, less accurate load will.
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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80, THe folks at Sierra are great people thats for sure and they have been a big help to me over the years and the Bullets the offer are tried and true ......the Gameking is like the Partition,It a no question Bullet, Now I have said this before but it was you were in the hood..... This is just my way of doing things.......when I find a load that shoots to my standards, thats when I use the Chrony .....I look at the speed only( if its shooting sub moa I dont care what the FS and SD are ......its just a number) and then I figure my Ballistics from there........My thinking is, if its accurate I dont care how fast its going...Thats what your elevation dial is for .........My Two Cents
Yes sir re Buddy, dial it, and pile it!
I would much rather have a bullet that is traveling at a reasonable speed, that is CONSISTENT, then one that is screaming, and only accurate at times. This caliber is no different then any other, in the fact that it shoots it's BEST at the upper end, and close to the edge of maximum for YOUR particular rifle. Once you find that load, with the emphasis on accuracy, and repeatability, your search is over. THEN bring out the crony, input your BC, and velocity, and your all set.
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