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7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

 
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Old 05-07-2013, 09:21 AM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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I've never heard of the bergers exploding beyond 3,300 fps when leaving the muzzle...

I'm more of a 160+ fan for my 7Mags and STW. For lighter scenarios the 115 Berger VLD's out of my .257 Wby Mag do the trick for me...Although I'm waiting to test my latest load of H1000 for it to see how well they're gonna group. I love that little .257....She's a lazer beam out to 500.
The thinner jacketed hunting VLD, I've seen it happen with a .300 RUM. We pushed a 190g at 3400 FPS and the went poof! I also was one of the origional testers for the Hunting VLD Back in 2003 when Berger was trying to get them out in the market. I took a nice Muley at 335yds with a 168g and have since taken 4 elk (the longest shot being 525yds) and several other bucks with them. They work great out of my .30-06 AI. I am a Fan!

I however understand their limits sue to bullet construction. Eric Stecker and I had a lengthy conversation about the VLds back in 2003 as I wasn't too keen on even giving them a chance. It went against all I believed about bullets. But I tried them anyway and I found that I had a precision load that given propper shot placement will do the job nicely.

He specifically said that they were never meant to faster than 3200fps as the Berger guys even found the they exploded. The Target versions are much thicker and will definately go faster. The only problem is reliable expansion as they could pencil straight through the animals.

Hope this is helpful.

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Old 05-07-2013, 09:26 AM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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I see a lot of information about the Berger 168's and 180's. Is anyone working with the lighter bullets? I am currently shooting 140 TSX's with good results, but wondering what else is out there.

Lots of guys on here with more experience than me. Any help would be appreciated.
I have great luck with Nosler Ballistic tips and Combined Technology and Accubond bullets in the 140 grain range. My experience is that the Accubond is a tougher constructed bullet for anything you may dump inside 250 yards. The accuracy with the Combined technology has been phenomenal but will come apart when you hit bone on game at closer ranges, I have stuck with them as we tend to shoot game in the 3 to 600 yard range in the last several years.

I have recently started working up loads with 150 and 160 grain pills, as the 140's are running to fast to allow my rapid retical scope.

150 grain Nosler Ballistic tip
82.0 grains reloader 25
Federal 215 magnum primer
Winchester brass
3305 MV with a standard deviation of 5 fps on a 3 shot string
.44" @100 yds.
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:03 AM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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The thinner jacketed hunting VLD, I've seen it happen with a .300 RUM. We pushed a 190g at 3400 FPS and the went poof! I also was one of the origional testers for the Hunting VLD Back in 2003 when Berger was trying to get them out in the market. I took a nice Muley at 335yds with a 168g and have since taken 4 elk (the longest shot being 525yds) and several other bucks with them. They work great out of my .30-06 AI. I am a Fan!

I however understand their limits sue to bullet construction. Eric Stecker and I had a lengthy conversation about the VLds back in 2003 as I wasn't too keen on even giving them a chance. It went against all I believed about bullets. But I tried them anyway and I found that I had a precision load that given propper shot placement will do the job nicely.

He specifically said that they were never meant to faster than 3200fps as the Berger guys even found the they exploded. The Target versions are much thicker and will definately go faster. The only problem is reliable expansion as they could pencil straight through the animals.

Hope this is helpful.

Dan
Good info right there! I was going to ask you about the Target VLD's but you covered it. Have they done any tests on them in the ballistics gel? How fast do the Target VLD's need to be going for proper expansion?
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Old 05-07-2013, 10:42 AM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

Would the Sierra Hpbt 180 perform the same?
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Old 05-07-2013, 11:37 AM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

I am having some great success with the Sierra Gameking 160's in my STW. I started out with some factory 140 Corelok, and the performance of the 160 vs those is night and day. I am loading anywhere between 74-78 grains of H1000, as I am still tweaking with seating depth and primers, but so far have been amazed at the Gameking performance at the range. I have to believe they will do well on game too, as my rifle is set up for hunting first, and bench shooting for fun second. Just my 2 cents......to each their own, and to each rifle its own, thats my experience at any level of shooting and with each caliber. I'm pretty new to the STW world as well, so half the fun is experimentation and making that baby sing on the steel.
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:36 PM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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I am having some great success with the Sierra Gameking 160's in my STW. I started out with some factory 140 Corelok, and the performance of the 160 vs those is night and day. I am loading anywhere between 74-78 grains of H1000, as I am still tweaking with seating depth and primers, but so far have been amazed at the Gameking performance at the range. I have to believe they will do well on game too, as my rifle is set up for hunting first, and bench shooting for fun second. Just my 2 cents......to each their own, and to each rifle its own, thats my experience at any level of shooting and with each caliber. I'm pretty new to the STW world as well, so half the fun is experimentation and making that baby sing on the steel.
I have killed a ton of game with the 160 Game King in a regular 7 mag, performance has been outstanding to say the least. My son killed a 1000# Bison bull 2 years ago and dropped him where he stood with the game king. Bullet still weighed just under 140 grains upon recovery under the hide on the off side shoulder.
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Old 05-07-2013, 02:53 PM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

I have an aquaintance who swears by the 175 gr sierra game kings. Anybody out there have any experience with them in the STW?
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