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7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

 
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Old 04-28-2013, 04:28 PM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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I determinded years ago to forget the belt or rim is there and ajust your die for shoulder bump. I have competed in the benchrest group game for 20+ years and go through 1 to 4 barrels a year. Most gunsmiths are good but get the headspace off between .001 to .003. between barrels. Most guys have a set of shims you get from Sinclair International you use to ajust from barrel to barrel on the same action. We get very precise but I transfer the type of loading to my hunting rifles. The shims go under the die ring and make sizing for many barrels easy with the same die. In my game I have won and lost by .oo1 to .002 in the grand ag so it is a very precise sport. I don't want to confuse any one so just do what STW says. Thank you I love this form along with the one on BENCHREST CENTRAL.
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Brush, I am familiar with those shims you referred to, and I think I still have a set of them somewhere. They are handy, and work very well, and enables the use of one die, even if you have multiple rifles in the same caliber. All you have to do is know, and remember what shims to use with , which gun.
I think how I used them, was to set the die to full cam over, and start with more shims then you need. Then progressively remove shims until you see, or can measure a difference in the shoulder .
I do agree, that the case really should only headspace on the belt for it's first firing, then from that point, you adjust your dies accordingly to headspace on the shoulder, at what ever measurement you find that your gun and brass will tolerate.
Where I see most issues arise, is how much does it stretch on it's first firing, and how forgiving the brass is to that stretch. So it makes it very important to get that initial die adjustment on the money to keep the shoulder from having to keep slamming into the chamber, and then get pushed back TOO FAR, creating the weak spot that eventually, or better put, SOONER then later, fail, or unleash 80 odd grains of slow burning powder gasses, which we all know what that does. People get hurt, and chambers are damaged or trashed.
Good info being discussed here!
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Old 04-28-2013, 04:52 PM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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Brush, I am familiar with those shims you referred to, and I think I still have a set of them somewhere. They are handy, and work very well, and enables the use of one die, even if you have multiple rifles in the same caliber. All you have to do is know, and remember what shims to use with , which gun.
I think how I used them, was to set the die to full cam over, and start with more shims then you need. Then progressively remove shims until you see, or can measure a difference in the shoulder .
I do agree, that the case really should only headspace on the belt for it's first firing, then from that point, you adjust your dies accordingly to headspace on the shoulder, at what ever measurement you find that your gun and brass will tolerate.
Where I see most issues arise, is how much does it stretch on it's first firing, and how forgiving the brass is to that stretch. So it makes it very important to get that initial die adjustment on the money to keep the shoulder from having to keep slamming into the chamber, and then get pushed back TOO FAR, creating the weak spot that eventually, or better put, SOONER then later, fail, or unleash 80 odd grains of slow burning powder gasses, which we all know what that does. People get hurt, and chambers are damaged or trashed.
Good info being discussed here!
Is this what you are talking about in regards to shims?

Redding Competition Shellholder Set #6 (7mm Remington Mag 300

I got a set of these last month and I really like them!
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Is this what you are talking about in regards to shims?

Redding Competition Shellholder Set #6 (7mm Remington Mag 300

I got a set of these last month and I really like them!
Gamehawker, if we are talking about the same thing, those are not the ones I was referring to. The ones I am talking about are round flat discs that have the thickness stamped on them. They resemble a washer, and it fits around the die, and is sandwiched between the die nut, and the top of the press.
I believe these are what " brush" was referring to also, at least I think so.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:03 AM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

Gamehawker, STW is right. I have the shims and the competition shell holders but I use the shims because you can work in closer tolerances. With my STW rifle the reamer I have puts the shoulder so far forward the thickest shell holder isn't enough to keep the shoulder from being pushed back. I only have one STW so I just set my die and forget about it. I have a set of the comp shell holders for .308 type cases that I use for my many rifles that use that type. You would be surprised the differance among the factory rifles. Savages are great because you can loosen the barrel nut and set the barrel to any head space you want. Next weekend I start the benchrest competition circut for the summer which I truly love competing with the best in the world at Kelbly's range in Ohio and other ranges in the north east. Take care all.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:06 PM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

Here you boys!!!

I just got a notification that Midway has Nosler 7mm STW brass.

Nosler Custom Reloading Brass 7mm STW Box of 25

FWIW, I like the Remington brass that I currently use in my Senderos so I'm not going to buy that pricey Nosler 7mm STW brass.
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Old 04-30-2013, 02:07 PM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

Im not gonna say why or how .......All Im gonna say is when my Brother found out I was without ,He said not for long ........Winchester Model 70 Sharpshooter 7mmSTW is perched in the Lab .........And She's Bad
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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Im not gonna say why or how .......All Im gonna say is when my Brother found out I was without ,He said not for long ........Winchester Model 70 Sharpshooter 7mmSTW is perched in the Lab .........And She's Bad
All I can say is WOW!!!
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