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7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

 
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:51 PM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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I have a Die question. WILL a Lee 2 die set work in my RCBS and is it fine for my STW(when I finally make it and get it??) Found a set on ebay for 21 bucks
Yup, they sure will, and they are fine dies too. For some reason or another, those dies have always given me the LEAST amount of run out. And I like the expander " shank" versus the expander ball, and I think it is one of the reasons that the run out is less, because it keeps the neck in center line, on the down stroke. I like them .
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:04 PM
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Neither are my choices, I prefer the Interlock or Interbond by Hornady or the Nosler Accubond.

That being said, I absolutely agree with the sentiment. I want a hole on both sides and a good blood trail to follow in the event it's not a DRT hit.

I was at one time sold on the idea of all the energy being retained in the animal vs an exit as being a good thing.

I got over it after having to go get the dogs too many times to fine one that had taken a perfect chest hit and still disappeared into the brush.

Since most of those were big hogs over 500lbs I can assure you that following them into the brush is a hair raising experience especially after you've had a few come charging back out at you.
Amen to the two holes are better than one, but I have never been part of " let the bullet dump it's energy " inside philosophy . Shoot a well constructed bullet at a good velocity, and send it true, and it will do it's job. Just like sex, in and out!
I'm very impressed with the Barnes bullets, for doing just that, AND dumping a shock load to boot. The partition is a classic bullet, and although they are sometimes not the most accurate bullet, the terminal performance is usually predictable.
I do like the Hornady bullets of late, and they have came a long way. I like both the interlock, or Interbond, and even though I haven't hunted with them, I have faith enough, partly from feedback, that if I had one in my chamber, I would be confident that something is about to go for a pick up ride! Just my 1.5 cents.
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:23 PM
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I like both the stw and the 7rum. The rum is a bit faster and can be the cat's meow in certain cases, but for an all around fire breathing 7mm the stw gets the nod. The stw will get you at least another 500 rounds bbl life if you treat both with a bit of respect.
As far as the 7rum being finicky round, not at all if you feed it no faster than rl25 or retumbo( I prefer stick 50 cal powders) and let it eat flat base bullets with a monster jump (.4" to .5") to smooth out the pressure.
It ( the 7rum) is simply an awesome round that was so accurate in the field in my last rifle I once put the crosshair two inches below the nose on a trotting mule deer doe at over 200 yards, adjusted lead, pulled the trigger, and proceeded to put a bullet through her head within an inch of where I wanted to (I always shoot offhand and usually from sitting). Needless to say I didn't ruin any meat on that one.
I'm thinking of building a 7rum to pitch 140's with as my last one would do over 3500 fps at normal pressure with 140's; it's hard to get to 3400 fps with an stw with 140's-- some powders will get you there but barely. I think I'm going to try for an 8# 7 rum and a 10# 7stw. The rum will be a max. pbr carry rifle and the stw will be a re-work of my current lh bdl stw for cross canyon critter and long range paper punching.
Lefty, I have been rather successful in getting 3400 out of my STW's without going over 65,000 psi over the years.
Now, about the 7 RUM, IMHO, unless you have 28 inches of barrel, you can not burn all the powder INSIDE the barrel. You can put all you want in it, but quite a bit of it is going to burn OUTSIDE the barrel. The end result, noise, and muzzle flash. Don't get me wrong, to each their own, I've been down that road. I had one, and had shot a bunch of them before buying my own, and eventually conceded to the fact that too much is too much.
My STW that I built in the spring will average 3440 with 145 LRX bullets and RL25.my Sharpshooter gets 3406 with 140 partitions, and 3426 with TSX bullets. And I am not one to shoot high pressures either. I don't like feeling uneasy when I pull the trigger wondering if the bolt is going to come unbolted!!! And when you throw the barrel life into the equation, it's a no brainer for me. Just my opinion!!!!
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Old 01-19-2013, 01:49 PM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

I think the new Lapua cip mags by Accuracy Int'l are 3.9", I converted my bdl to a seekins dbm with those mags. My bdl had the extended Wyatt box too. I'm not a big fan of hinged floorplates anyway. I actually like blind mags the most.

I'd like to convert all of my field rifles to blind mags, simpler and sleeker.
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Old 01-19-2013, 02:24 PM
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

3.625 is straight from AI, made it a point to ask them at the SHOT show this week. I asked why and they said it was a "tooling" issue and couldn't meet their current demands as it is. They can't afford to shut down and redesign at the moment to make a longer magazine plus then for the everyone else to follow suit and make a new DBM to match the new longer magazine. There just isn't a big enough market right now for those of us who shoot a round that long and that wants a detachable magazine. The main reason I wanted it was the fact that every round feeds from the center vice staggered in an internal box.
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Old 01-19-2013, 04:56 PM
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I'll go down and measure mine shortly. I have a 338 Lapua built on a rem 700 action and it has the 300 win mag ai mags. When I bought my seekins dbm which is on a stiller action, they said I could use the longer aics cip 338 lapua mags, they are longer than my 300 win mag ones, but I'm not sure the exact length. On seekins website it says 3.9" but I believe they are 3.85". I'll take a picture of both with a ruler and post. My stiller predator action had to have a slight modification to take them. So now my 7stw rounds are longer than my 338 lapua! Go figure. actually, Go 7 STW boys.
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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Lefty, I have been rather successful in getting 3400 out of my STW's without going over 65,000 psi over the years.
Now, about the 7 RUM, IMHO, unless you have 28 inches of barrel, you can not burn all the powder INSIDE the barrel. You can put all you want in it, but quite a bit of it is going to burn OUTSIDE the barrel. The end result, noise, and muzzle flash. Don't get me wrong, to each their own, I've been down that road. I had one, and had shot a bunch of them before buying my own, and eventually conceded to the fact that too much is too much.
My STW that I built in the spring will average 3440 with 145 LRX bullets and RL25.my Sharpshooter gets 3406 with 140 partitions, and 3426 with TSX bullets. And I am not one to shoot high pressures either. I don't like feeling uneasy when I pull the trigger wondering if the bolt is going to come unbolted!!! And when you throw the barrel life into the equation, it's a no brainer for me. Just my opinion!!!!
I could get to 3500 fps with rl25 in my last 7stw also with rl25 and 140 nosler a-bonds. You back to currently recommended charges though( there wasn't data for rl25 when I first started using it) and you will get 3400 fps with that rifle. I was netting 3500 fps at top charges of rl25 with 140 sierra's in the rum; they are really a horse a-piece and are both good 7mm's. The rum nearly needs a chrome plated barrel or to be only shot below freezing though as it doesn't have good bore life. Been there, done that and have a 300 rum now because of it.

We are pretty much on the same page here; I am thinking of the 7rum as a very low round count rifle with max. available speeds using 140 grain 7mm's as I want minimum time of flite for running kills. I may go with a 27" or 28" barrel but I was getting good burn at 26" so I don't know if it is worth it.
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