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7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

 
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:49 PM
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Thanks for all the input on the 7mm and twist rates, the gun I have is basically brand new. I have put 15 rounds down the barrel so far just to do some breaking in. My wife really thinks I need to be well she's has her opinion because this gun that I have is new. I may just opt out for a break on the barrel for now, since we have little girl on the way. The 300 has a lot of recoil and needs to be taimed down a little. I love shooting guns but after shooting a 300win mag with 178 amax in a savages stevens (18 rounds) and then shooting the 300RUM with the 178amax I sported a bruise on the sholder for a week. I hate to say it but I really love my 6.5x284. Very mild recoil and with hand loads I constantly shoot .5 inch groups at 100 and have been shooting 4 inch groups at 600. Its a stock savage 116 stainless accu stock and trigger. I also really love the trigger on this rifle as well. But thanks for the input and I will takes some notes down and when it does get changed over it will also have a break. Thanks.....
That is another reason I recommended the STW over the 7 RUM. It is a very finicky round, that by the time you get it to shoot right, you are probably at about 7stw velocities. Sometimes too much of a good thing, isn't a good thing. The is about as max overbore that 7 mm can be, and still be SHOOTABLE. That is a mathematical certainy that was explained to me by someone in the know! Try it, you'll like it!!
P/ S, congrats on the new addition, and a girl at that! Perfect!
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That's exactly what that bullet was designed for. Penetration into the vitals and then the expenditure of all energy. DRT, means perfect performance,and you didn't lose the opposite shoulder meat. This isn't underperformance it is efficient performance. Over penetration on a deer (nobler partition/Barnes) often leads to an animal still active after the shot. Yes they can be DRT but that usually involves a spine shot or close to it.
Jake, you probably have more experience than I, but someday you might find yourself wishing for a partition or barnes if the only shot you have on the last day of your hunt is a steep quartering angle requiring penetration through the shoulder or paunch. One of my buddies on an elk hunt had to pass on a 90 yard tailbone shot on a big 5x5. When the bull disapeared into the timber I asked him why he didn't take the shot and he said he didn't trust his bullet to break the pelvis and/or penetrate all the way up into the vitals. I know my partition would have. He was using a cup & core bullet, I don't remember the brand. Anyway, that was the last elk he saw that trip. I have found that energy & "knock down" power don't kill as well under all conditions as a good sized hole through the vital organs with complete penetration for a good blood trail. I have never lost an animal either. Just my 2 cents.
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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Jake, you probably have more experience than I, but someday you might find yourself wishing for a partition or barnes if the only shot you have on the last day of your hunt is a steep quartering angle requiring penetration through the shoulder or paunch. One of my buddies on an elk hunt had to pass on a 90 yard tailbone shot on a big 5x5. When the bull disapeared into the timber I asked him why he didn't take the shot and he said he didn't trust his bullet to break the pelvis and/or penetrate all the way up into the vitals. I know my partition would have. He was using a cup & core bullet, I don't remember the brand. Anyway, that was the last elk he saw that trip. I have found that energy & "knock down" power don't kill as well under all conditions as a good sized hole through the vital organs with complete penetration for a good blood trail. I have never lost an animal either. Just my 2 cents.
Ditto on the Partition and Barnes
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Ditto on the Partition and Barnes
+1, what he said!
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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Jake, you probably have more experience than I, but someday you might find yourself wishing for a partition or barnes if the only shot you have on the last day of your hunt is a steep quartering angle requiring penetration through the shoulder or paunch. One of my buddies on an elk hunt had to pass on a 90 yard tailbone shot on a big 5x5. When the bull disapeared into the timber I asked him why he didn't take the shot and he said he didn't trust his bullet to break the pelvis and/or penetrate all the way up into the vitals. I know my partition would have. He was using a cup & core bullet, I don't remember the brand. Anyway, that was the last elk he saw that trip. I have found that energy & "knock down" power don't kill as well under all conditions as a good sized hole through the vital organs with complete penetration for a good blood trail. I have never lost an animal either. Just my 2 cents.
That's the exact reason why I have a tough bullet for a mag load and a target vld type bullet for down range, I know it is a bit more mucking around to sort out a suitable combo but when that trophy off a life time jumps up close in front of you, not presenting an easy kill shot what are you goin do?

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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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Jake, you probably have more experience than I, but someday you might find yourself wishing for a partition or barnes if the only shot you have on the last day of your hunt is a steep quartering angle requiring penetration through the shoulder or paunch. One of my buddies on an elk hunt had to pass on a 90 yard tailbone shot on a big 5x5. When the bull disapeared into the timber I asked him why he didn't take the shot and he said he didn't trust his bullet to break the pelvis and/or penetrate all the way up into the vitals. I know my partition would have. He was using a cup & core bullet, I don't remember the brand. Anyway, that was the last elk he saw that trip. I have found that energy & "knock down" power don't kill as well under all conditions as a good sized hole through the vital organs with complete penetration for a good blood trail. I have never lost an animal either. Just my 2 cents.
I'll add hornady interlock and sierra pro hunter to the mix here too. I've been driving the two of those through mule deer, white tail deer, and antelope from every conceivable angle for 20 years and I've only cought two or three bullets, and I usually shoot 140 grain 7mm's(sierra) and 165 grain 30 cal.(hornady) so they aren't THAT heavy for caliber. Even at 500-700 yards out they pass through fine. If it's a red box or a green box it'll get first nod in the field, with a bonded nosler in the game too.
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Re: 7mm STW Brotherhood - For those who shoot the 7mm Shooting Times Westerner

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Thanks for all the input on the 7mm and twist rates, the gun I have is basically brand new. I have put 15 rounds down the barrel so far just to do some breaking in. My wife really thinks I need to be well she's has her opinion because this gun that I have is new. I may just opt out for a break on the barrel for now, since we have little girl on the way. The 300 has a lot of recoil and needs to be taimed down a little. I love shooting guns but after shooting a 300win mag with 178 amax in a savages stevens (18 rounds) and then shooting the 300RUM with the 178amax I sported a bruise on the sholder for a week. I hate to say it but I really love my 6.5x284. Very mild recoil and with hand loads I constantly shoot .5 inch groups at 100 and have been shooting 4 inch groups at 600. Its a stock savage 116 stainless accu stock and trigger. I also really love the trigger on this rifle as well. But thanks for the input and I will takes some notes down and when it does get changed over it will also have a break. Thanks.....
You need to get either Pachmayer Decellerator or Simm's Limbsaver recoil pads.

On top of that when you mount the rifle make dead sure each time you really have it properly in the right place on your shoulder and pull it in tight to your shoulder. The reason you are bruising is from the impact of the rifle hitting you. If you are snuggled up and tucked in tight you move with the recoil vs being hit by it.

Also, invest in good muzzle brakes. I'm not recoil sensitive at all but even my 7-8.lbs magnums such as the 7mm STW and 300wm with heavy for caliber loads are much more enjoyable to shoot with a good muzzle brake, and that includes the ability to see each impact even at close range.
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