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Old 08-01-2012, 08:28 PM
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Wind reading for +1K shots

I thought I would open a thread on reading and dialling wind on ELR shots. This is a difficult skill and I am sure that their are different methods used. To start off, I will describe the method that I use.

First up, if the wind is blowing strong, I do not shoot at game beyond 1K. Rocks etc are fine but for ELR shots at game I will only consider it with a light breeze or dead still conditions preferred. Experience has shown me that it is better to stay within my comfort zone when shooting at game.
But when I do take an ELR shot in the wind I try and gather as much wind information as I can prior to taking the shot. This means taking wind readings at different locations on my way to the shooting location. It is amazing how much the wind strength changes just by moving around the side of a hill 20 or 30 yards. One side of the hill will be sheltered and only a short distance away on the other side of the hill the wind could be a lot stronger. What I am looking for is the maximum wind strength I can find and then looking at the trees etc at that location. I then use this as a reference for areas way out down range where I can see movement in the vegetation.
While on flat country the cross wind can be quite consistent, in the hills it is very different. The wind strength mid way across a valley can easy be 1/3 or more higher than what the vegetation movement at ground level is telling you.
I think of wind it as being similar to water flowing down a river. It is slower near the river bank and faster out near the middle where it is deeper. Canyons and valleys have the same effect on the wind. They also have a vertical component as the wind rises up and down the hill sides at an angle. The steepness on the terrain will indicate how much vertical you can expect. If the terrain has hills that have a 20% slope angle then it would be a fair bet to assume that their might also be a 20% vertical wind component as well.
I sit and watch the effect that wind has on vegetation down range while glassing for game. I try and get the direction and strength while taking the topography into account.
Where taking a practice shot, I put a lot of effort into working out the wind correction prior to taking the first shot. Then I look for the bullet splash and see how much I was off. With the information from the first shot I then take a long look at the wind and try and work out where I went wrong. This is how I learn from experience.
If you practice at the same location a few times it gets quite easy to get the first shot very close to the target. On a new location it can be tricky. So when hunting it teaches you to be wary.
My longest shot on game was at a locations where I had also practiced a few times. If I had not done this, I doubt I would have attempted the shot even though the wind appeared calm. Its those hidden breezes that can catch you out.
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:34 PM
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Re: Wind reading for +1K shots

Thanks for starting this thread . I know I will follow it along. I just started 1000 yard shooting and I am a beginner at wind reading . For the first time out I installed a ribben at the edge of my wooden target (plywood) and the wind was present the whole time . Now at first glance I couldnt see any wind activity but the ribben told me other wise. I know this is different from what you do but it has helped me to get it drilled into my mind that there is always going to be wind at 1 point or the other sometimes multiple wind conditiions.

Great subject and thanks again for posting.......
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Re: Wind reading for +1K shots

Good post Top Shot. You covered it pretty darn well. I will add a little of my own methods and indicators I look for other than the ones you listed and a little on how I see it.

Verticle wind or as I call it "Lift" Pine trees are a great indicator. If they are moving and appear to be flapping their limbs like they are trying to fly but no left or right lean is obvious, that is lift. Most of the time shooting 1000 yards and on out to 2000 it will be from 1/2 moa to to 1 1/2 moa of lift. I usually go for a 1/2 to 3/4 moa on the turret and time the shot where the flapping is least.

Morning light fog is the sweetest indicator. Like painting the wind. I have sit and watched it move for hours to learn what the terrain below does to it.

Give me dead still light fog and I will have the confidence I want for that long shot on game.

Here are a few pics of fog and wind currents.







If I am shooting aross a canyon I will be watching the very tip tops of trees between the gun and the target. That sprout going out the top of an everygreen tree is a great indicator for direction and speed. Plus they might be up where the bullet will arc depending on terrain.

On game I will look for these small but important indicators. Breath steam from their nose for wind direction and speed. On antelope if you watch long enough, and if it is dry enough, one will move and leave a little dust off their feet. Small to look for, but a good indicator of direction of wind at the target.
Also in some cases I have seen the long hair on the mane of an elk move too. If I see this there is a brisk wind at the target and I real in all the distance I can or pass.

Wind at the rifle trumps all other. It starts the bullet off path first and that direction or path will be hard to over come by wind at the arc or at the target. It is a common mistake to let down range wind, even if a complete different direction, over rule all of the wind at the gun. So give the wind at the gun the most value. It is also common to want to underestimate the wind at the gun. As TopGun said, if you are shooting across a canyon you can bet it will be stronger in the middle. So don't be affraid to add a few MPH to the wind at the gun. I sometimes will double it depending on clues from other indicators.

Mirage.... Not as easy to read as some like to talk. I go slightly off focus on the target and read it there. I also on some occations will pick a point 1/2 way to the target and go slightly off focus to get a reading of mid wind direction. But be careful here. I want to read the mirage in mid air. It will always look much faser off an object like a deadfall or a hot rock. So look above objects for a truer reading.

My advice to beginners would be this. Use a quality wind meter like kestrel. Read the wind at the gun and go with the higher side of the reading to enter into your program. It will get you close and if it is a consistant wind will put you on.

Wind Rules on long range shots. I do not in any way claim to have it mastered. But I practice alot and I have gotten much better. But, if the conditions are not good for the distance I real it in to where I am confident or I pass on game shots.

I also do like Top Gun suggested. If I miss a rock I watch the splash if visable and try to learn what just happened. Plus I spend quite a bit of time in the spring shooting from my favorite vantage points for hunting. And I keep a good log.

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Re: Wind reading for +1K shots

Boss Hoss,

I think you need to resize your post as it is very large. You may also need permission from the author to reproduce it here.

Also, humidity does not work as he described it. He is wrong!
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Boss Hoss,

I think you need to resize your post as it is very large. !

+ 1 Please,
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Re: Wind reading for +1K shots

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Boss Hoss,

I think you need to resize your post as it is very large. You may also need permission from the author to reproduce it here.

Also, humidity does not work as he described it. He is wrong!

Will pass you comments on to him when I speak with him later today but his comments will not be Top Shot----sorry but Speedy Gonzalez is a HOF BR shooter, has held several world records, ran the Brownells Gunsmith 3rd year school at Trinidad, author of countless articles on the subject of shooting, is one of my best friends and shooting partner. To put it bluntly he has forgotten more about the subject of accuracy and what it takes to shoot accurately, build the rifles and to design and make the bullets including the dies that make the bullets than most folks on the planet. Please post your response and it will be forwarded to Speedy. If you are correct it will be acknowledged.

Will pass your comments on to him when I speak with him later today but his comments will not be printable lol.

Am on the phone right now and read this to him and the part from the conversation that I can quote is “that’s ok that is why I do not post anything on those kinds of websites”.

Also--the edit function is not showing up when I try and resize..
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