I have an older 30 mm tubed Burris Black Diamond 2nd focal plane scope with a Mil Dot reticle that I have used with both a Mil Dot Master slide rule and a laser rangefinder (LRF). The rings are Burris with non-centric plastic sleeves to raise the rear of the scope and lower the front. I got about a 10 MOA vertical adjustment advantage with that setup. Wind hold was ALWAYS a problem of trying to align on the horizontal stadia while holding several mils below it.
My longest shots with that scope were over 800 meters on groundhogs in Pennsylvania with a .300 Win. mag. A-Bolt. 50% was about my success rate.
And yeah, you guessed it, this baby has MOA turrets. Worst of both worlds, 2nd focal plane and MOA adjustments with mil dot reticle. But, as I said, it is an "older" scope, 20 years older.
Recently I've begun shooitng my Rem. actioned .300 Win. mag. HS Precision rifle at 1,000 meters and more but I've availed myself of the new Horus H 59 reticle. Mine is on Bushnell's ERS 3.5 -21 X 50mm 1st focal plane scope. I have found this reticle is FAR better for hold-over with windage because now my Xmas tree shaped reticle can sit ON the target for wind hold. No more estimating windage hold with say, a 3.5 mil hold-over.
My ERS scope rides in a Nightforce 20 MOA Unimount on a 20 MOA LaRue rail and this combo is great for not using up all of my vertical turret adjustmment.
Better yet, if I miss the 1st shot (and see on the reticle where the miss landed) my second shot almost always hits when I move the miss hash marks on the target.
Granted, my Burris mil dot reticle ain't exactly a BDC reticle but I knew my trajectory and my mil holds were taped to the stock, making it the same as a BDC reticle.
My point is (yes, I have one) that when shooting at extreme long ranges (over 800 meters/yards) a TreMor or H 59 type reticle is a lot better than older style reticles, even mil dot reticles. Now Zeiss (I think) is using a similar reticle but with dots instead of hash marks, so as not to infringe on Horus patents. The military knows these reticles are better too and have begun the change. These new reticles also mean far less turret cranking which is a good thing for turret mechanisms and for fast target acquisition.
With my 1Mile ARC 10X LRF/ballistic matched binoculars and this reticle all I have to worry about is wind - which is still a lot to worry about. So maybe Santa will bring me a Horus/Kestrel 4500
weather/ballistic station for a complete firing solution. (Santa? Santa Baby? You there?)