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Old 12-21-2012, 02:32 AM
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Re: I Continue to be Amazed with the 215 Hybrid

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Gaps, I can't live with the short barrel life of the RUM. I simply shoot too much. I have owned some, and been around several. Plus I use to shoot the 30-378's too. I now am back to the 300 win and happy to be there. Once I get a rifle shooting like my 300 win is I want it to last a while before I have to start over with a new barrel. If you do go with the RUM I would definitely go with the 230's.

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what velocity do you think the rum should push the 230.... Havent even tried them yet but if you recommend em for the ultra......id like to know a little more...... You are defineatly a "go to" guy when it comes to bergers. I have just got the 210s shootin in my ultra. Roy took me up and shot at his spot and I was floored that I did as well as I did (half moa at 1175).....still new to this game but am hooked....... Why would you go with the 230 in the ultra.... Im shootin a modest 3044 with the 210 but thats probably because of my 26 in tube.....
Im loading 91.5 retumbo in match prepped remmy brass. I shot the 215 at 91.5 and had two sticky bolts out of 4 rounds so I think I was gettin up there in pressure....I quit and focused on the 210.
Will the 230 add any barrel life because of slower velocitys..... Im sure this is a shot on the dark on my behalf just curious as to why the 230....... And can I set it up the way your thinkin with a 26 in tube.......Thanks in advance.
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:17 AM
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Is the 300 RUM that inefficient of a case? I shoot one with the 215's and everyone on here that is shooting a 300 Win Mag is getting way more speed than me. I have a factory Sendero barrel, 91 gr H-1000, Fed 215 match, Rem brass, COAL 3.843". This is giving me a velocity of 2985 FPS. I know I talked this over with Broz a couple months ago but need to ask again. I now speed is not everything and my load shoots awesome. But when it comes time to rebarrel I don't know if it will be a 300 RUM again. I feel I should be able to shoot these 215's at 3100 FPS comfortably. Do I just need a longer barrel?
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:38 AM
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Broz,
what velocity do you think the rum should push the 230.... Havent even tried them yet but if you recommend em for the ultra......id like to know a little more...... You are defineatly a "go to" guy when it comes to bergers. I have just got the 210s shootin in my ultra. Roy took me up and shot at his spot and I was floored that I did as well as I did (half moa at 1175).....still new to this game but am hooked....... Why would you go with the 230 in the ultra.... Im shootin a modest 3044 with the 210 but thats probably because of my 26 in tube.....
Im loading 91.5 retumbo in match prepped remmy brass. I shot the 215 at 91.5 and had two sticky bolts out of 4 rounds so I think I was gettin up there in pressure....I quit and focused on the 210.
Will the 230 add any barrel life because of slower velocitys..... Im sure this is a shot on the dark on my behalf just curious as to why the 230....... And can I set it up the way your thinkin with a 26 in tube.......Thanks in advance.
I will shoot the biggest highest BC bullet I can in a given caliber as long as it is 1: accurate and 2: has decent velocity. In the 30-378 with a 230 we have seen around 3100 and were not pushing it at all. I have not loaded the 230's in the RUM but would think equal results would be easy. In my mind and experience bigger bullets kill better and faster, especially Berger bullets. Your 3044 with the 210 in your RUM is interesting. My most accurate load with a 210 in a 30-378 was 3050 and also from a 26" tube. But when we switched them to the 230's our accuracy node was at a higher velocity with less powder. I just feel the 230 is a better fit in larger cases and makes for a more efficient round. I believe smaller bullets in the larger cases are subject to a point of diminishing returns and don't take good advantage of the case volume. Remember, I always think in terms of long range first. I want the best results at the longest distances and the shorter shots will usually take care of them self with less concerns.

I don't think you will see a noticeable difference in barrel life between the 210 and a 230. At least not something we can put a finger on and especially at the velocity you are running yours. Remember, it is the heat that does most barrel damage, longer life will come from letting her cool between shots and avoiding long strings of shots. Two shot groups and a cooling session will be your friend. If your rifle is showing you some 1/2 moa groups at close to 1200 yards I think you should enjoy that load for a while. I would take a hard look before I would change anything. But if the 230's are catching your eye I think they will serve you better, as far as efficiency in the RUM case. That said I stacked game like cord wood from my 30-378's with 210's.

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Is the 300 RUM that inefficient of a case? I shoot one with the 215's and everyone on here that is shooting a 300 Win Mag is getting way more speed than me. I have a factory Sendero barrel, 91 gr H-1000, Fed 215 match, Rem brass, COAL 3.843". This is giving me a velocity of 2985 FPS. I know I talked this over with Broz a couple months ago but need to ask again. I now speed is not everything and my load shoots awesome. But when it comes time to rebarrel I don't know if it will be a 300 RUM again. I feel I should be able to shoot these 215's at 3100 FPS comfortably. Do I just need a longer barrel?
Beeman, what altitude? We are at 4100 ft and I am getting more velocity than you from over 10 gr less of H-1000. I suspect you should try a different chronograph.

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I am at 1300 FT. I have tried stacking two different chronographs, and they were nearly identical. My drops out to 700 yds are spot on using SHOOTER; with a MV of 2985 fps. Killed a buck at 724 yds in Sask this year. The 215 Hybrid worked awesome, massive damage and big exit. Like I said I really do like the RUM, but not the extra recoil and 10 gr of powder I burn compared to a 300 WIN MAG. If I could be guaranteed a 300 WIN MAG could get me close to 3100 fps I would go that route. Was thinking about ordering a barrel for when this one is shot out I will have one on hand.
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Re: I Continue to be Amazed with the 215 Hybrid

Thanks for all the input and feedback, this is exactly what I need to hear so I can choose a caliber to build off of!
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:29 PM
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If I could be guaranteed a 300 WIN MAG could get me close to 3100 fps I would go that route. Was thinking about ordering a barrel for when this one is shot out I will have one on hand.
Having a new barrel on the shelf is always a good plan no matter what you choose to chamber it in.

I would not plan on any 28" 300 win getting you 3100 with a 215 Hybrid. 2950fps or close is doable in a 28" and in rare cases like my rifle 3025 to 3050 @ 4100 als. But remember my rifle, be it Lapua brass, Defiance action, Broughton 5C being a fast tube or all of the above, is the exception, not the norm. We were over 2900 with my sons 300 win and a 210. That rifle also wears a 28" Broughton 5C. So it should go 2950 with a 215 Hybrid. Rifles in 300 win that will go over 2950 with a 210 or 215 are rare. I just fell into this one.

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