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Old 11-04-2013, 07:43 PM
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Re: 6.5mm bullets for ELR

I have been milling this bullet annealing idea over and over in my head since I learned about it. I wonder what it would do for Lapua bullets on game.
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Old 11-05-2013, 02:45 AM
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Re: 6.5mm bullets for ELR

BrentM,

I have seen the same type of thing you describe, An example that is well known here is the Norma GT i mentioned. It generally shoots superbly at "short" range, and is preferred over the 139 Scenar by the 200m shooters, the 8g Scenar likevise. At 1000m, both are clearly outperformed by the 139 Scenar.

What is the BC of the 160 Matrix? Tell me some more about using the 140 Berger and the 160 Matrix @ ELR.

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Old 11-05-2013, 09:15 AM
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Re: 6.5mm bullets for ELR

I don't know what the G7 for the Matrix is but the G1 is advertised as .680. Berger VLD is .612 / .313. I would imagine the G7 of the 160 is around .340 to .347 but I am not sure.

The first time I shot the 160 I was able to dial in .25 moa on a 200 yard zero. I shot 400, 680, then 1010. I videod the sequence but it is on an older camera and I could get it up load to my computer. At 1000 I put two separate groups of 5 on the rock. The first group was 3x4 and the second was 4x4, for 4. I pulled 1 about 4" right. The next time out I tried to shoot 1400 in the mountains and my solution was not working me. At 980 I shot a rock for 3 shots and it was 4x5. My last time shooting the 160 was at 1280 yards. I did not measure the group but in the scope (NF NXS 5.5x22 NPR1) the size came in at 1 MOA. 6 out 6 were on the rock. If you split the rock in 1/2 all 6 hit the right side of the 1 MOA rock.

Now, the 140 at 1300 has done well for me too but I have noticed from 1300-1500 it opens up more and so far I am only able to shoot around 1 MOA. I personally think the 140 is not as stable due to the slower LR fps. I could be wrong but I wondering if the bullet is starting to wobble a bit. I have not done a lot of shooting at 1500 because it has proven to be a bit of a waste of time with lack of a good spotter and not being able to get first round cold bore hits on 1 moa or less size targets.

Not sure if this helps or not but it has been my experience. I just got a new box of matrix bullets, yesterday actually. The bearing surface is .685 compared to the last batch of .676 and the length went to 1.506 vs 1.496. 140 VLDs have been .562 / 1.421. Big difference in bearing surface. I have about 12 of the last batch loaded and ready to shoot. Unfortuantely with this big of change I will be required to work up the load again.
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Old 11-05-2013, 09:38 AM
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Re: 6.5mm bullets for ELR

Interesting post Brent,

What you say about the bearing sfc. and making a new load is basically what keeps me sticking to Lapua, their bullets are what they are..
I think i will be shelving the 136 for other than "Feltskyting" with the match-rifle, that stops at 600m, and i have seen nothing that shoots as flat. The matches are shot UKD, without scopes, so flat is gold.

Next time i can get out shooting at paper around 1000m i will bring them back out. But that is a small hike, and i need a spotter, and i cant be bringing the kids, as i normally do. Also i can only bring one rifle, and who knows, it might be the 7mm...
Lots of logistics this ELR- stuff, but the good thing is, it makes 5-600m shots quite trivial.

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Re: 6.5mm bullets for ELR

I have not shot the Lapau bullets but if they would work for hunting I would give them a try. I do know the Hunting VLDs from Berger have all been very consistent on the bearing surface. The last batch of 140's I bought a box of 500. I measured several hundred and they were all the same, so I stopped. : ) I think Bergers are fine, but I still measure them to be sure.

The berger vld TARGET has a shorter bearing surface and the ones I have played with have been very accurate. However, I don't shoot those anymore since I can't hunt with them and don't want or need multiple set ups. They might be the ticket for you for the match shoots though. Their BC is pretty good and if they shoot well for you the BC is going to be your friend at LR.
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