Long Range Hunting Online Magazine


Go Back   Long Range Hunting Online Magazine > Hunting > Extreme Long Range Hunting & Shooting (ELR)

Extreme Long Range Hunting & Shooting (ELR) Over 1,000 Yds.


Reply

40 Hart vs 338 Allen mag.

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #22  
Old 11-29-2013, 11:31 AM
Official LRH Sponsor
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Fort Shaw, Montana
Posts: 6,831
Re: 40 Hart vs 338 Allen mag.

Choosing to have a 338 Allen Magnum is not a decision to be made lightly. My goal is to have my customers that order one of my rifles actually USE my rifles. Many want to order a 338 Allen Magnum simply because its the biggest and baddest practical 338 magnum around, or at least on the top of the performance ladder with a few others in the same class. That's not a bad thing but these rifles are big, long, heavy and expensive. For what they are designed for, they are amazing weapon systems but often times, guys want them for other reasons then what they are designed for and in the end, they get into a rifle that is not REALLY what they want or need.

As such, when a potential customer comes to me wanting me to build them a custom rifle, I talk things over with them first to determine what exactly they plan to do with the rifle. In the end, if someone just WANTS one of these weapon systems to have, no problem with that, but if we find out that their hunting goals really do not require a weapon system as specialized as a 338 Allen Magnum, I often recommend one of my lesser wildcats.

Many are much better suited to a more all around weapon system such as one of my Raptor Stalker rifles in 300 Allen Xpress or 338 Allen Xpress for hunting from 0 to 1000 yards. Some are better suited with the same chamberings but in a more dedicated long range rifle such as my Raptor LRSS which is designed for use from 500 to 2000 yards.

As mentioned, in talking with potential customers and together finding out what system will meet their goals best we pass on the 338 Allen Magnum 90% of the time in favor of on of the Allen Xpress chamberings.

There are certain situations that the 338 Allen Magnum is the perfect choice but many more where it is out classed for a specific use by lesser chamberings.

I do not know much about the 40 Hart. If it is based on the 375 RUM necked up to 40 cal, it would have a DRAMATIC barrel life advantage but then its also limited significantly by the bullet selection in 40 cal. Solid bullets can be a bit finicky depending on bore diameter. Building a rifle for use with a very limited selection of bullets is a serious gamble unless that one bullet is a proven bullet that works well over a wide range of bore diameters, for example, the 350 gr 375 cal SMK for my 375 Allen Magnum. Its not the best game bullet in the world but it generally shoots extremely well in most barrels I have shot them in.

Ballistically, I personally do not think the RUM case has enough capacity to get velocity up where it should be for a 40 cal projo used for long range hunting. For target shooting or rock bustin, no problems but for big game we do need a certain level of retained velocity for proper terminal performance.

Anyway, not saying the 338 Allen Magnum is not a good choice for your application. Just that there may be better options out there for what your looking to do with a new rifle.
__________________
Kirby Allen(50)

Allen Precision Shooting
Home of the Allen Magnum, Allen Xpress and Allen Tactical Wildcats and the Painkiller Muzzle brakes.

Farther, Faster and Flatter then ever before.

Web Page: www.apsrifles.com

allenmagnum@gmail.com
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 11-29-2013, 12:00 PM
TH TH is offline
Silver Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 337
Re: 40 Hart vs 338 Allen mag.

Kirby

The problem is once you have a 338 Allen Mag. It's hard to go back to anything else. Even though a 338 Lapua will do the job for anything under 1500 yards it's just not the same. A person can kill a prarie dog with a 22LR but they can blow it up with a 22-250.
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 11-29-2013, 12:50 PM
Official LRH Sponsor
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Fort Shaw, Montana
Posts: 6,831
Re: 40 Hart vs 338 Allen mag.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TH View Post
Kirby

The problem is once you have a 338 Allen Mag. It's hard to go back to anything else. Even though a 338 Lapua will do the job for anything under 1500 yards it's just not the same. A person can kill a prarie dog with a 22LR but they can blow it up with a 22-250.
YEP!!! There is some method to my madness!!! I am currently working on a Hunter model for my XHS rifles. It will be a single shot still using the 1.47" multi-flat BAT receiver, trimmed down stock and lighter contour barrel, Hoping to get down in the 13-14 lb. range which would be even a couple lbs lighter then my Lightweight XHS platform.

R&D time has been pretty limited this year with the delays in the firearm industry really setting me back on shipping times, have had less time to play just to keep rifles heading out the door. Hopefully 2014 will be a better year all around in the firearm industry, as long as we keep Washington out of it!!!
__________________
Kirby Allen(50)

Allen Precision Shooting
Home of the Allen Magnum, Allen Xpress and Allen Tactical Wildcats and the Painkiller Muzzle brakes.

Farther, Faster and Flatter then ever before.

Web Page: www.apsrifles.com

allenmagnum@gmail.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:14 AM.


Powered by vBulletin ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Management Powered by vBadvanced CMPS
All content ©2010-2014 Long Range Hunting, LLC