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Old 09-10-2013, 10:09 AM
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Re: 3650 yards target nailed !!!

Its marked as 12 feet x 12 feet target size.

They SAY he got two consecutive hits, I did not see much that convinced me of that. I could not really see any sign of a hit at all on the targets but that's just me.
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Old 09-10-2013, 10:22 AM
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Re: 3650 yards target nailed !!!

Doesn't qualify for the Hide. I didn't watch the video, but they'd need a 10-shot group or... banned for life.
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Old 09-10-2013, 10:35 AM
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Re: 3650 yards target nailed !!!

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I have seen first hand what two different LRKM's can do at past 2500 yards. Now 3600 is a heck of a lot farther, but 1 moa consistency at 2500~2700 yards is reality for the LRKM and Shawn's video at 2751 shows 3/4 moa hits. Some think as soon as you go subsonic the game is over. I am here to tell you first hand that is not true with all bullets and altitudes. So it is coming boys like it or not.

Just my take on all this.

Jeff
At what range are your bullets subsonic under the environmental conditions you reference 1 moa to 2500-2700 yds?
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Old 09-10-2013, 10:38 AM
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Re: 3650 yards target nailed !!!

Hey fellas, any comments I made about sonic transition were analytical. As in why they might have been marginally successful in hitting a 12'x12' target. If they want to sling unstable projos at a 12'x12' target 2 miles away so they can say they did it, it's fine by me. I'm just saying I would probably not waste powder, projos and barrel life on such an endeavor, other than just to see how they react to the transiton.

I would love to be able hit an MOA size target @ 2 miles with some degree of predictability. But occasionally hitting a 12'x12' target doesn't get me real excited. If it does them or anyone else, have at it

Now watching Kiwi Greg' and Hunt The Distance videos is pretty cool. Watching Jeff hit a Sub MOA rock at 2270 yds was pretty cool too
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Re: 3650 yards target nailed !!!

My 338 AMs in a 32" barrel length will hold accuracy out to around 2900 yards or a bit more at my 3400 ft elevation using the 300 gr SMK. Past that, they fall on their face, nothing resembling consistency in any way.

When I was testing the 265 gr AT RBBTs from the old wildcat bullet company, was getting them to 3550 fps and on two different occasions went three for three hits on my 20" round gong at a measured 3010 yards. This was measured initially using wilde optical range finder and then confirmed with GPS and Google Earth matched up exactly.

I HAVE NOT pushed things any farther then this, simply because its hard to find this much distance where its not a day effort to set up a target.

I also have not pushed the 300 gr Berger to its limits in my 338 Allen Magnum. The load using the 300 gr SMK was loaded to just a hair over 3300 fps. I have tested the Berger bullets in the new Bertram brass and can push 3400 fps pretty easily so I would think that this would extend supersonic ranges to 3000 yards pretty easily.

Plus, from what BROZ has been saying, the berger does better through transonic velocities then the SMK so that would be even more promising.

From what these boys describe in the video, I would bet they are shooting standard 375 Cheytac loaded ammunition or loading to standard Cheytac specs which if anyone has looked these numbers up, they are far less then impressive and NO WAY they would maintain supersonic velocity to anywhere near 3000 yards let along another 700.

If there were using special extreme BC bullets, I would think they would have mentioned that in the video.
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Re: 3650 yards target nailed !!!

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I guess I missed what the actual target size was, does anyone know for sure? In the video does he not get two consecutive hits? If so I think that takes some of the luck out of it and shows they have dialed in and found the dope. Just my take on it, and I am pretty surprised at some responses to this. If I had made these shots and had it in video I would have posted it. And I would have not been impressed with anyone playing it down. I have seen first hand what two different LRKM's can do at past 2500 yards. Now 3600 is a heck of a lot farther, but 1 moa consistency at 2500~2700 yards is reality for the LRKM and Shawn's video at 2751 shows 3/4 moa hits. Some think as soon as you go subsonic the game is over. I am here to tell you first hand that is not true with all bullets and altitudes. So it is coming boys like it or not.

Just my take on all this.

Jeff
From what I have seen with the testing I have done with the 300 gr SMK and the prototype 265 gr AT RBBT, as long as velocity remains at or over supersonic velocity, sub 1 moa is easy out to the limits of this velocity range. As mentioned, I have tested the old, unsexy 300 SMK out to its limits, which are around 2900 yards or a bit more out of the AM with steller consistency and that projectile is totally predictable out to that range.

The 265 gr prototype was the same way out to 3010 yards but I was not able to test farther then this to see if it had any more legs which I am sure it did. From drop numbers at 1000, 1500 and 2000 yards, the BC came out to around .9 to .92 depending on the day shooting. Now, that is the number I needed to put into the program to get predicted flight trajectory to match up with actual bullet trajectory so I am not saying that was the SCIENTIFIC BC value of that bullet before someone gets pinched in the shorts.

Combining that with the 3550 fps and you get something pretty special. That was with Jamison cases, with the new Bertram brass, well over 3600 fps would have been practical with good brass life. To bad we do not have those bullets still, life goes on.

I did not test them at 2 miles for one reason, ran out of supply and Wildcat Bullets sold to a new owner.

I have yet to see a quality rifle not hold at or under 1 moa for grouping out to the limits of the combos supersonic velocity range. Bullet needs to be properly stabilized but if that happens, I have never seen a consistency problem that kept groups out of the 1 moa size.

That said, please realize that I am not saying that shooting conditions will not limit your ability to hold 1 moa groups at extreme range. When I was testing at 3010 yards, I did so on 6 different shooting sessions. Two of which I was able to put three shots in a row on my 20" round gong. On one occasion, I went 2 for 3 on steel. On three other occasions, because of wind, mirage or simply air conditions of my lack of shooting ability that day, I did not get a bullet on target. There are days, I am just not up to it!!!

Still, even on those bad days, missed were well under 2 moa in total size.

THis was +600 yards closer then the target in the video. Still, I would have to see this with my own eyes to believe it and even if it did, getting two shots BARELY on a 12'x12' target is hardly precision shooting in my opinion. I believe they were happy with the results because that's the best that could be hoped for with that combo. If they were maintaining supersonic velocity to that range, they should have been able to at least gets shots consistently on that size of a target with no problem. If they were using a bullet that was handling the transonic velocities well, again, it should not have been a problem to get bullets on that size of a target.

I suspect they were doing neither and as such, barely got a couple shots on the fringes just by chance. Would like to know how many shots were taken to get that snippet of video? That's the bad thing about the web, anything can be made to look like anything as there is very little accountability out there when you post something on the web other then your own principles. Not saying these guys are not being honest, totally possible they got two shots on that HUGE target but they make it sound like this was precision shooting and it was hardly that.
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Old 09-10-2013, 11:24 AM
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Re: 3650 yards target nailed !!!

Watched that video 6 times and I believe Kirby is correct ..I only saw one hit and as stated on a 12 ft x12 ft target. Not much to brag about there...Kirby you need to put one of your units together and set up a 3 ft square target at that range and produce real world results..I believe you are 100 % correct on this one..
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