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Old 12-17-2011, 06:00 PM
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Outsider looking in

Being from South Texas and only visiting the western states to hunt, although I have not been able to for some time, I am not directly impacted by the wolf problems that face you. However I do support you and have signed several petitions though with no good explanation of how those petitions will be used.

After following this issue for a while a thought crossed my mind. Has anyone considered the Lacy Act as a possible avenue in getting the introduced Canadian wolf listed as an invasive specie under the injurious wildlife clause since the Canadian wolf is a much larger specie than the indigenous gray wolf and has decimated the gray wolf since its introduction.

Defined; Injurious Wildlife are mammals, birds, amphibians, reptiles, fish, crustaceans, mollusks, and their offspring or gametes that are injurious to the interests of human beings, agriculture, horticulture, forestry, wildlife, or wildlife resources of the United States.

Provisions of the Lacy Act are to protect the health and welfare of humans, the interests of agriculture, horticulture or forestry, and the welfare and survival of wildlife resources from potential and actual negative impacts.

As far as a negative impact, the reduction of the Yellowstone Elk Herd by greater than two thirds gets my attention. I have read about predation pits, I have watched several videos, and have read several state wildlife reports that state and independent biologists have indicated that the decline in big game herds is mostly attributed to wolves.

Is all of this information being compiled somewhere or by an organization.

I have read some about Big Game Forever and have seen their video but have not seen their plans other than trying to make the public aware.

Are there any funds from a reputable organization accepting donations that are planning to present this information to a congressional panel. It seems that if a group of tree huggers can get in front of a panel that the other side should be able to as well.

Is there any organization out there or is all of the information being put out on the world wide web in hopes that someone will take the lead. The one thing that it will take is dollars, without a reputable organization and dollars your plight will be in vane. I would certainly buy some of the smoke a pack a day decals, bumper stickers, and shirts if I knew that the proceeds were going to the wolf management efforts and would certainly donate to a reputable organization for the management cause.

With all of the data out the it seems that something could be done instead of all of the preaching to the choir so to speak.

Just my thoughts, but please remember that there are a lot of us in the south that are behind you folks all the way.

Dallas
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Old 12-18-2011, 11:00 AM
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Re: Outsider looking in

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Being from South Texas and only visiting the western states to hunt, although I have not been able to for some time, I am not directly impacted by the wolf problems that face you. However I do support you and have signed several petitions though with no good explanation of how those petitions will be used.

After following this issue for a while a thought crossed my mind. Has anyone considered the Lacy Act as a possible avenue in getting the introduced Canadian wolf listed as an invasive specie under the injurious wildlife clause since the Canadian wolf is a much larger specie than the indigenous gray wolf and has decimated the gray wolf since its introduction.

Defined; Injurious Wildlife are mammals, birds, amphibians, reptiles, fish, crustaceans, mollusks, and their offspring or gametes that are injurious to the interests of human beings, agriculture, horticulture, forestry, wildlife, or wildlife resources of the United States.

Provisions of the Lacy Act are to protect the health and welfare of humans, the interests of agriculture, horticulture or forestry, and the welfare and survival of wildlife resources from potential and actual negative impacts.

As far as a negative impact, the reduction of the Yellowstone Elk Herd by greater than two thirds gets my attention. I have read about predation pits, I have watched several videos, and have read several state wildlife reports that state and independent biologists have indicated that the decline in big game herds is mostly attributed to wolves.

Is all of this information being compiled somewhere or by an organization.

I have read some about Big Game Forever and have seen their video but have not seen their plans other than trying to make the public aware.

Are there any funds from a reputable organization accepting donations that are planning to present this information to a congressional panel. It seems that if a group of tree huggers can get in front of a panel that the other side should be able to as well.

Is there any organization out there or is all of the information being put out on the world wide web in hopes that someone will take the lead. The one thing that it will take is dollars, without a reputable organization and dollars your plight will be in vane. I would certainly buy some of the smoke a pack a day decals, bumper stickers, and shirts if I knew that the proceeds were going to the wolf management efforts and would certainly donate to a reputable organization for the management cause.

With all of the data out the it seems that something could be done instead of all of the preaching to the choir so to speak.

Just my thoughts, but please remember that there are a lot of us in the south that are behind you folks all the way.

Dallas
I love the idea of using the Lacy act to fight the infestation. The problem we face is that the wolf is a "species of interest." Which seems to mean, "species that we watch wipeout entire populations while wait for courts to decide who's study on wolf impacts we should listen to." There are several organizations that have started legislation, raised awareness, etc. But I think it's a matter of too many cheifs, not enough indians. If all these outfits would work with one another, instead of just localized efforts, we'd be alot more effective.

You've got it right. We just need a good preacher (with a loud voice and deep pockets) to bring us all together.
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Old 12-21-2011, 05:37 AM
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The wolf issue may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, so to speak, and pits western non-city dwellers against the feds for a second war of federal aggression against the citizens of this nation.

As far as I'm concerned the only good wolf is a dead wolf, legal or not.

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Old 12-21-2011, 11:59 AM
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Capt D

Are you aware "whether their are provisionsfor citizen suitsor state enforcement" re: the federal government?
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:25 AM
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The wolf issue may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, so to speak, and pits western non-city dwellers against the feds for a second war of federal aggression against the citizens of this nation.

As far as I'm concerned the only good wolf is a dead wolf, legal or not.

Biker
As an ethical hunter that statement is really ignorant. That kind of thinking are why the anti hunters have made so many inroads against hunting. If the wolf numbers are controlled there can be game for everyone, wolves included. I figure that wolf has as much right to eat as do I. I have been hunting deer in Minnesota my whole life, competing with the wolf. I think me and my long range weapon match up just fine with the wolf.
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:04 AM
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As an ethical hunter that statement is really ignorant.
BWOW, Be cautious of using the "E" word.
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Old 12-28-2011, 05:08 PM
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As an e$%#@&l hunter that statement is really ignorant. That kind of thinking are why the anti hunters have made so many inroads against hunting. If the wolf numbers are controlled there can be game for everyone, wolves included. I figure that wolf has as much right to eat as do I. I have been hunting deer in Minnesota my whole life, competing with the wolf. I think me and my long range weapon match up just fine with the wolf.
Why exactly are you here? Is it to convince us "dumb-uns" that wolves are our friend?

Damn the wolves, they took my livelihood, and I hate them. Survival of the fittest, and they were the fittest untill now.

From the inside looking out, I say kill them all
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