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Old 03-21-2013, 12:02 PM
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Why not the black rifle? They are chambered in rounds more than capable of reaching 1000yds. 6 .5grendel (AR-15), 260rem (AR-10), 6.5 Creedmoor (AR-10), 243win(AR-10), 300rsaum(AR-10). Les Baer offers a 6.5 but I can't recall the name. Having owned a half dozen or better AR's I have to say that the ones set up for precision shooting give very little ground to a bolt rifle of the same dimensions. Except searching for your ejected brass in the snow


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I am in no way disagreeing about the use of black guns, it seems people on other threads and forums are a little sensitive these days about wolf killing calibers and guns, I see these discussions, as a way to learn the other side of going about business. My family and a lot of others out there, tend to be in a little thick bubble where "damn it, this is the way we do things,,,, PERIOD" I try hard to see things from all views. ( I am still waiting to hear back from a guy from another thread on how much bigger his Alaskan wolfs are then Montana wolves. Not to be a jerk I really want to know).

My way of thinking is the gun has to be easy to carry in a saddle scabbard. It has to be fairly light weight to cover a lot of country, by foot, in a hurry (running)in knee deep snow, which from my experience the black guns are heavy! I have not needed more then 4 bullets when I do business with these mutts. Most of all the reason I have not been impressed is accuracy of the rifles I have been around.
I do however think that the appropriate black gun in the Lamar Valley during elk calving time would be a blast! (pun intendeedily)
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:53 PM
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Re: Ideal Wolf Hunting Rifle

Boy , Rooster ; talk about fighting words
We fight more up here about how big wolves get than we do about the true trophy size of 10' brown bear. Skull size anyway.
Some wolves get to be 200 pounders , most don't. Some only get to 80 lbs. I think the average is between 100-120 lbs.
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Re: Ideal Wolf Hunting Rifle

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I am in no way disagreeing about the use of black guns, it seems people on other threads and forums are a little sensitive these days about wolf killing calibers and guns, I see these discussions, as a way to learn the other side of going about business. My family and a lot of others out there, tend to be in a little thick bubble where "damn it, this is the way we do things,,,, PERIOD" I try hard to see things from all views. ( I am still waiting to hear back from a guy from another thread on how much bigger his Alaskan wolfs are then Montana wolves. Not to be a jerk I really want to know).

My way of thinking is the gun has to be easy to carry in a saddle scabbard. It has to be fairly light weight to cover a lot of country, by foot, in a hurry (running)in knee deep snow, which from my experience the black guns are heavy! I have not needed more then 4 bullets when I do business with these mutts. Most of all the reason I have not been impressed is accuracy of the rifles I have been around.
I do however think that the appropriate black gun in the Lamar Valley during elk calving time would be a blast! (pun intendeedily)
The last time I was in the Lamar Valley, the week before Christmas, I did not see one elk from Tower to Cooke City and very few Bison and the snow was not all that deep. The thought of wolves during elk calving season makes me sick. Forget the AR's, get some full auto Brownings and mount them on the back of a truck or 4 wheeler!!!
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Boy , Rooster ; talk about fighting words
We fight more up here about how big wolves get than we do about the true trophy size of 10' brown bear. Skull size anyway.
Some wolves get to be 200 pounders , most don't. Some only get to 80 lbs. I think the average is between 100-120 lbs.
That pretty much describes our wolves and we will be glad to send them back!
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The last time I was in the Lamar Valley, the week before Christmas, I did not see one elk from Tower to Cooke City and very few Bison and the snow was not all that deep. The thought of wolves during elk calving season makes me sick. Forget the AR's, get some full auto Brownings and mount them on the back of a truck or 4 wheeler!!!
I got first dibs on the ammo bearer position but we need to take someone elses truck! A couple of weeks ago there was a small bunch of cows with no calves just past Soda Butte, No elk in Mammoth, which is scarey! There was bison everywhere, but not many calves with the ones I saw!

Some one found a few buffalo
www.bozemandailychronicle.com/news/wildlife/article_8327d3e6-911b-11e2-ab0b-0019bb2963f4.html?soc=8327d3e6-911b-11e2-ab0b-0019bb2963f4
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Re: Ideal Wolf Hunting Rifle

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I am in no way disagreeing about the use of black guns, it seems people on other threads and forums are a little sensitive these days about wolf killing calibers and guns, I see these discussions, as a way to learn the other side of going about business. My family and a lot of others out there, tend to be in a little thick bubble where "damn it, this is the way we do things,,,, PERIOD" I try hard to see things from all views. ( I am still waiting to hear back from a guy from another thread on how much bigger his Alaskan wolfs are then Montana wolves. Not to be a jerk I really want to know).

My way of thinking is the gun has to be easy to carry in a saddle scabbard. It has to be fairly light weight to cover a lot of country, by foot, in a hurry (running)in knee deep snow, which from my experience the black guns are heavy! I have not needed more then 4 bullets when I do business with these mutts. Most of all the reason I have not been impressed is accuracy of the rifles I have been around.
I do however think that the appropriate black gun in the Lamar Valley during elk calving time would be a blast! (pun intendeedily)

You have some valid points for sure. A "black rifle" is taller than a bolt gun which basically means a custom scabbard is in order. Not a deal breaker but a PITA. Your second point is spot on, they can get DARN heavy, especially the AR-10's. I'm surprised you haven't been around an accurate AR. Then again I can understand as most folks I know spend over $1k on an AR, then buy the cheapest ammo they can find to feed it I have a 16" 5.56 that I hand load for, 68grain Hornady's in fact. It will shoot well under moa @ 100, problem is, with a 4x scope I've never shot it further

My AR-10 in .243 will group between 1/2 & 3/4" @ 100 as well. Then again, I hand load for that too.

Not arguing at all, just noting my experiences.


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Re: Ideal Wolf Hunting Rifle

I just bought a Savage 6.5-284 yesterday and am going to mount a Vortex Viper 6-20 scope that I have and join in the fun.
My son has a place in Ennis and all of the ranchers welcome you with open arms down in that country.
I personally have seen them all over the Madison Valley.

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