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Old 11-16-2013, 09:39 PM
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Re: Idaho wolf down

Izzy,

My uncle who shot that wolf hunts whitetail deer on a private land non fenced hunt club in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Since the wolves have mutiplied they barely see deer. Last year an entire hunt club harvested less than ten deer on 60,000+ acres. Before wolves were introduced and multiplied they shot hundreds of deer every year. Some (pro wolves) say its a decrease in population but the rest of the state still sees and harvests plenty of deer. Oh and last year the only tracks my uncle saw were wolf tracks. Go have a conversation with the Amish who watch wolves eat their animals and who have also stated they have seen wolves stalking children near their farms.
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Old 11-17-2013, 11:55 AM
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Re: Idaho wolf down

Izzy

Thank you for entering the mine (mind?) field. A little biology:

1) Wolves have always been in Idaho, TIMBER WOLVES!!!

2) This was not a "reintroduction". These are Grey wolves from the North in Alaska and Canada. Idaho has never seen Grey wolves and the brain dead college professors that run Fish & Game decided Idaho needed these NON - NATIVE species. Kind of like the Chinese carp overtaking our southern waterways.

3) The impact to Idaho wildlife has been devastating but since the bureaucratic aristocracy cannot be wrong Idaho will continue to be ravaged by these animals.

P.S. Don't walk away from your car in the mountains without a large caliber weapon. The wolves are hungry and you are lunch. They will not hesitate to attack. Contrary to the "experts" they have no "natural" fear of man. The experts live is ultra urban environments.

We live in the real world.
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Old 11-17-2013, 11:59 AM
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Re: Idaho wolf down

One other thing...

Idaho is a vacation to Disney World in Florida for these wolves.

The Grey wolves are an Alien invasion from a more advance civilization for the elk & deer.
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Old 11-17-2013, 08:54 PM
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Re: Idaho wolf down

I'm sure if a wolf savagely killed one of her many cats, her point of view would change. If one were to severally threaten her livelihood , similar to the realistic problems ranchers are facing, she might also curve her opinion. Of course, I'm sure she dose not live in an area were this will ever happen.
People like Izzy are why the wolves got reintroduced. Notice how none of them want one in their suburban backyard. But they sure are pretty when someone else has to deal with them.
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Old 11-18-2013, 08:18 PM
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Re: Idaho wolf down

Where'd you go Izzy? I hope you're out in the field, actually observing what happens in nature when an apex predator gets introduced into an area where the prey hasn't seen that predator in over 100 years. Are you listening to the stories the elk pass down from generation to generation about what it was like 100 years ago when the wolves were around, and the humans weren't? Or are you counting fawn/calf mortality due to predation?...

I ask, because many of us around here actually do see these things take place on a daily basis, and can speak to these truths because we see them happen with our own eyes. We're not drawing upon what the FWP or ANY publication says (whether it be pro or anti hunting) We're drawing on the many hours we spend in the same areas as the wolves, and deer, and elk and moose, etc. We see these things happening every day!

Now, I may be just an MT redneck with too much time on his hands... But if you can show me a biologist who has spent more than 50 days in the field this year, I'll gladly sit down and listen to his/her every word. But until then, I'll listen to the sportsmen and outfitters who actually spend time in the wilderness...

PS- of the 47 days I've spent time in the woods of MT this year, I've talked to A LOT of wonderful people enjoying what MT has to offer... None of them (not even one!) Has been studying wolf impacts, behavior, etc. Ask yourself, who did the study you read? Did you see any of the results first hand? Did you have any understanding of game populations prior to wolf introduction (that you got from being there, and not just something you read) Did you even find out who did the study, or where their funding came from... If you did, I'd love to hear where it all came from. Perhaps I missed something in the the last few decades of field time.

Feel free to PM me if you'd prefer to keep your findings private.
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Old 11-18-2013, 10:22 PM
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Re: Idaho wolf down

When the Fed's decided Idaho needed Grey Wolves they set up a fund to reimburse Ranchers for livestock lost.
To my knowledge the Rangers have denied every claim. When submitted the Rangers state that the livestock were "winter kill" or something other than depredation and deny the claims.
Even though in some cases the Ranchers witnessed the attacks the Rangers basically called them liars and still would not pay out the claim.
The Federal Fish & Wildlife beaurcrats are an unwelcome scourge in Idaho.

Just ask royinidaho
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:21 PM
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Re: Idaho wolf down

Issy you are a young obviously. Man has spent decades trying to rid the west of wolves!It was animal activists who prompted our government to re introduce them to cut elk,deer and buffullo populations around Yellowstone so hunting wouldn't be needed or allowed. It didn't work as now honest hard working people go home empty handed in many cases due to wolves over populating and their lifestyles. Many hunters now don't spend money to go because numbers of animals has drastically changed.Many people depended on large populaions of game to run businesses and food. We hunters pay for our share through licesence fees,money spent on gasoline,food,accomodations for travel etc. If you were truly a hunter and conservationist you would under stand that wolves don't have a menu just to chase and kill in afrenzy like sharks.Upchuck and kill more.Its the hunting that needs our attention and be passed on to new generations.Wolves can ruin this if you read this forem you will understand what we have and want to keep!!!
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