Originally Posted by Izzy
I'm sorry to see such a beautiful animal die for nothing.Generally speeking we don't eat wolf and the likelyhood will be that the carcass will just be thrown away.The fur will not be rendered for coat making as it is in Alaska and the animal will have died for nothing.There is nothing wrong with taking animals for our use or consumption, but this is a complete waste.
Wolves help keep the deer and elk moving during hunting season.Without them your likely to experence long days sitting and waiting for animals to move that know moving during the day might get them shot.
Please don't tell me how many deer are killed by wolves.Bears take more deer than wolves do, and the main reason we have a season for the taking of deer or elk is because we must limit their numbers. Wolves help us to do that, and they also help keep the rodent population in check.If you have wisdom you will see the logic in what I have said. If not you most certainly will call me names I probably have never been called before. Thats the risk I take because I think animals shouldn't be persecuted.The wolf is no different than the Bear, its just that we can eat Bear or make use of its fur.
Strange post Izzy. You state your opinion, and then politely ask not to confuse you with facts or other opinions, and then claim folks with "wisdom and logic"will agree with you. Presumably the rest of us have no experience or knowledge to add to the discussion.
1) Wolves are very different than bears. At the very least they're not an impact on deer and elk herds for the months they hibernate.
2) House dogs routinely run deer to death. This chasing the game around all hunting season-What effect do you think it has on winter mortalities of bucks trying to recover from the stress of the rut, and the does trying to recover from summer lactation?
3) Rodent control? So let me see if I got this-when wolves pack up in numbers of 6-12 they're organizing to raid prairie dog towns? Actually bigger packs have been noted, and if it gets real harsh combined packs can get much bigger.
4) Are you telling me that when we see them running in fields of livestock they are just chasing the mice?
5) The Wedge pack (WA), the Wallowa pack (OR), and a pack in Idaho all make the news as confirmed livestock killers. Did they just run out of mice?
6) The hounds, guard dogs, and miscellaneous pets they've killed, What is their motivation old wise wolf whisperer?
7) In terms of waste; Do you suppose humans waste more wolf carcasses, or do wolves waste more in what biologist refer to as "sport reflex kills?
8) Why are mountain lions starving where the wolves have been moved in?
9) Check out the video making the rounds of a sow grizzly with cubs doing battle with a boar, and wolves over a kill. How desperate is she? Why is she this this desperate?
10) Human bear conflicts are up. A starving sow and cubs killed and ate a camper last year, reminiscent of the post dump closure years. Is it your belief that the elk herd being reduced from about 19,000 animals to under 4,000 by wolves plays no part in this dynamic?
Lots of threads on this, and generally it would be better manners to start your own thread rather than hijack someone else's.
My apologies to the to the OP for this turn of conversation. I, for one congratulate those able to add this trophy to their list.