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Alberta may kill thousands of wolves

OTTAWA Thousands of wolves stand to be killed in Alberta as part of the federal government's new plan to sustain caribou in the oilsands area, environmental researchers say.

It's a calculation that Environment Minister Peter Kent doesn't contest, even though he wishes he could.

"You are talking about very large numbers," Kent said in an interview.

"Culling is an accepted if regrettable scientific practice and means of controlling populations and attempting to balance what civilization has developed. I've got to admit, it troubles me that that's what is necessary to protect this species."

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    Unread 09-17-2011, 10:01 AM
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    Re: Alberta may kill thousands of wolves

    I keep going back to read the part "100 wolves need to die to save 4 caribou calves" thinking I read it wrong. There have been studies in other species that have shown tremendous differences in elk/sheep/deer/antelope survival pre and post predator control.
    It would be interesting to know what that number is based on.
    Sportsmen should take note of how aggressive of a plan it takes to trim wolf numbers in a meaningful way.
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    OTTAWA Thousands of wolves stand to be killed in Alberta as part of the federal government's new plan to sustain caribou in the oilsands area, environmental researchers say.

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    Thousands......kind of like 600 Lawyers in the bottom of the ocean thingeeeyyyy!!!!! It's a pretty good start!




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    Re: Alberta may kill thousands of wolves

    I post this not be flamed. I admitt I am no biologist or wildlife expert. But I am curious as to how all these animals got along before man got involved. I know alot has to do with the sheer growth of the human population, but there are areas that are still not inhabited by humans and there are problems with wildlife numbers. I know what my dad has to say about the low levels of mule deer here close to Boise Idaho, he always comments about how they always got their bucks when he was younger and he is only 68. Am just curious what others have to say abou it??????
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    Just remember that the info is coming from an environmental media source. Granted that Alberta covers a large area, but thousands of wolves, I have some doubts as to the numbers. I'd like to see what their wildlife dept has for the numbers and define the numbers. They could be running up the number for the sympathy factor to get support to lower the number of wolves to be culled. Just can't trust them.
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    Just remember that the info is coming from an environmental media source. Granted that Alberta covers a large area, but thousands of wolves, I have some doubts as to the numbers. I'd like to see what their wildlife dept has for the numbers and define the numbers. They could be running up the number for the sympathy factor to get support to lower the number of wolves to be culled. Just can't trust them.
    The numbers truly have to be questioned. Black Bear here in Washington took 50% of the Elk calves studied. A Bighorn study (I think New Mexico) had Mt. Lions taking like 80% of the lambs, one control group of Pronghorn Antelope improved from 8 to 88 fawns per 100 does before and after coyote control. NE Montana just finished a study of Elk calves that showed significant predation, the exact numbers elude me right now, but Bear, Cougar, and Wolves were well represented. Of course they didn't count the ones that they couldn't find enough of to say exactly what happened.
    At the local level my partner has committed to killing an Idaho wolf. Several weekends on the ATV daylight to dark. Call relocate call. He reports almost no calf elk, but plenty of wolf tracks, and responsive howls. He's been scouting since the 4th of July and hunting since Labor day, and this pattern remains unchanged.
    Here the "Wildlife" Department no longer looks at the effect of predators left unchecked. Instead we get reduced opportunities for both predator and prey. Their current mantra is "Poachers did it" which secures their jobs as license sales fall. Poachers aren't killing the calf crop. I've seen quotes from the BC biologist stating the negative effect of wolves on caribou, and being skeptical about the projected outcome of planting them here.
    Remind me of the line John Wayne used in Mclintock, caught with another woman on his lap he asks "Now are you gonna believe what you see-or what I tell You"
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    Re: Alberta may kill thousands of wolves

    Where can I send them some ammo.....
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