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Old 08-26-2013, 07:35 PM
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100 000 000 sheep in Australia how many in the US ?
It seems to me from the story the dogs failed. Maybe the story does not tell all the story . I'd be wanting a few new dogs .
The dogs were killed, so yes they failed. The Siddoway family reports having several of the great pyrenees killed to date. I can't say how many sheep in the USA, but they report owning about 19,000. Dogs fighting, and dying here is a fact with wolf packs. Lots of imports have been tried with limited success. If you've got the answer I'm guessing the sheep companies would love to hear it. So far, guard dogs protecting stock against wolves is a pro-wolf lie told to gain sympathy and support. Yes they may run off an individual, but when that wolf comes back with a pack the odds change. Wolves calculate odds as well as the casino's in Vegas.
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Old 08-26-2013, 08:44 PM
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The dogs were killed, so yes they failed. The Siddoway family reports having several of the great pyrenees killed to date. I can't say how many sheep in the USA, but they report owning about 19,000. Dogs fighting, and dying here is a fact with wolf packs. Lots of imports have been tried with limited success. If you've got the answer I'm guessing the sheep companies would love to hear it. So far, guard dogs protecting stock against wolves is a pro-wolf lie told to gain sympathy and support. Yes they may run off an individual, but when that wolf comes back with a pack the odds change. Wolves calculate odds as well as the casino's in Vegas.
Absolutely. HARPERC is right on about wolves as usual. I've seen this kind of sheep damage (not so many dead sheep, but still most of the herd that was there--my grandfather's sheep) from packs of stray dogs--with little to nothing eaten. Can't imagine what a pack of actual wolves would/could do. A pack of wolves is an incredibly efficient killing (not necessarily eating) machine. My guess is those, albeit valiant, sheep dogs never really stood a chance if indeed this was a wolf pack attack.

This is part of what packs of dogs do. A pack of dogs is like the human gangs that roam the streets, 'living off the land', so to speak, and regularly destroying a great deal (killing in terms of wolves, much more than they need). To think realistically otherwise about a gang of humans or a pack of wolves is near the height of naivety. Welcome to the USA.
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Old 08-27-2013, 11:06 PM
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Burn the bodies during fire season? Nope.

There was a Great Pyrenees in this same area, two years ago that got lost. What'd he do? Mated with a female wolf and they had a litter of 9 pups. F&G went in and got the dog, and the pups. They collared the female and cut her loose.

They haven't had too great of luck,in this area...
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Old 08-29-2013, 05:42 AM
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The dogs were killed, so yes they failed. The Siddoway family reports having several of the great pyrenees killed to date. I can't say how many sheep in the USA, but they report owning about 19,000. Dogs fighting, and dying here is a fact with wolf packs. Lots of imports have been tried with limited success. If you've got the answer I'm guessing the sheep companies would love to hear it. So far, guard dogs protecting stock against wolves is a pro-wolf lie told to gain sympathy and support. Yes they may run off an individual, but when that wolf comes back with a pack the odds change. Wolves calculate odds as well as the casino's in Vegas.
Well if the guard dogs died then I withdraw my statement and apologise for any offence but I did not see that in the article. I agree a pack of wolves is an organised and calculating thing and they invented team work .
They would be smarter and tougher than domestic dogs of the same size and in a big pack , leathal .
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Old 09-24-2013, 01:47 PM
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Re: 176 Sheep dead...

Guard dogs are a FANTASTIC asset to certain livestock. Hands down, they take care of their flocks like a parent would. But when a bunch of over zealous creatures that can take down elk (with 4 foot long "spears" on their head) and moose that weigh over 1000 lbs and can destroy a car with one kick.....well then the few good guards you have protecting the livestock just don't have a chance.
Wolves have been idolized and made mythical by many a novel and many a movie. The real story of them is quite the opposite. I am not any where near the expert that some of these guys out west are, and have already made clear with their comments. But keep this in mind, we don't have all of these "conservation" folks yelling about the coyotes, because of the damage they do. Coyotes are small and weak compared to any wolf and I have personally seen what 3 or 4 of these little guys can do to family guard dogs like german shepards.
I would like to empathize with everyone who has to deal with the wolf problem. There are areas that my father and myself WERE contemplating elk hunts that will no longer be of any good advice. As an easterner who wants to take his father on one elk hunt before our time together is over, this is a concern.
BOTTOM LINE: Hunters are more wildlife enthusiast, conservationist, and protector of said animals than any other group will ever understand. We are naturalists plain and simple (those of us who are responsible of course) Do I ever want to see wolves go extinct, no. However, their has to be a balance and these damned individuals and groups that like "the pretty wild doggies" need to be shut the hell up and enlightened to how the world works outside of an office.
Sorry for the rant, but politics HAVE ruined a lot of what we all love and work our tails off for.
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Burn the bodies during fire season? Nope.

There was a Great Pyrenees in this same area, two years ago that got lost. What'd he do? Mated with a female wolf and they had a litter of 9 pups. F&G went in and got the dog, and the pups. They collared the female and cut her loose.

They haven't had too great of luck,in this area...

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Old 09-25-2013, 02:07 AM
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I guess the old hound figured if you can't beat 'em, join 'em!
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