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Old 02-13-2012, 10:58 AM
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It's close in that it might have a few more mil spec rated parts than other manufacturers. The fact remains. As long as that Colt M4 clone has a semi-auto fire control group, a 16" barrel, and was not purchased to fulfill a government contract it is not a mil spec M4 no matter if they use 4150 chrome lined barrels or MIL-8625 Type 3 class 2 forged receivers and front site posts.

They are a bit closer since they ditched the shaved Bolt carriers, but it's still a civilian rifle no matter how you slice it. Will it function? No doubt, but will it function better than a Bushmaster or Stag M4 clone that costs $400 less? I highly doubt it.

There is a lot of good stuff out there that is not milspec. One needs to look beyond a fancy logo printed on the side, and consider the capability needed in their personal AR and either buy or build a rifle that meets the "myspec" category. The person buying the weapon will be happier and the savings in the pocket book can be used to buy a lot of ammo.
I do see your point but I just dont agree. I have been through alot of trainning courses and see guys at my local range all the time who's non mil spec guns are failing.
Most often its not due to the parts but the qualty in which the weapon was put togher. Loose gas keys, improperly staked gas key(if staked at all), loose barrel nuts, un staked reciver extensions, short buffer springs, after market stocks that dont fit right, canted front sight bases, tight chambers and thats the short list.
In classes the most common issue with the lower end guns is failing extractors and there failing at 500 rounds. I also like a 1-7 twist barrel that is chrome lined. These guns will still shot MOA and are worth the small added cost. Here are some good deals all guns all mil spec and maybe a little better. I just dont see the reason not to buy one of these when the non mil spec guns at least localy are commanding the same price.

Colt SP 6920 (OUT OF STOCK) at G&R Tactical
BCM 16" Mid-Length Rifle (OUT OF STOCK) at G&R Tactical
Daniel Defense XV M4 Carbine (OUT OF STOCK) at G&R Tactical
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Old 02-13-2012, 11:29 AM
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Re: AR-15 Mil-Spec Vs After Market

I see what you're saying and I don't necessarily disagree with you. I come from a viewpoint that a majority of guys are not buying ARs to train, but for recreational shooting, hunting, and just to say they have an AR in the cabinet.

My standpoint is that when you're looking to buy an AR you need to determine what you want to use it for. How serious of a shooter are you? How much do you shoot? Competition? What kind? Tactical matches or 3 gun? Long range? Do you shoot reloads? Do you intend to use military ammo, .223 Rem, or both?

All of these are considerations that will determine personal needs and choices for an AR.

I think it's a mistake for someone to box themselves into milspec when it's not necessarily needed. I think a buying decision should be based on personal need rather than beating yourself up because the parts you may want or need for a particular application are not milspec.
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Old 02-13-2012, 11:35 PM
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Again, I here what your saying but I'm trying to change your point of view on it I guess. When I buy a gun, I buy it for ever, no crap! I dont see why anyone would buy less than mil spec. I have 4 ARs now but its not my first 4, I have been down the non mil spec road and it just is not worth it! I owned DPMS, Stag, Wilson Combat and Olympic before I settled on DD, LMT and BCM I paid more for the 4 hobby guns and they were quite litterly half the weapon. I'm not a fan boy I wasted my money and I'm trying to stear guys down the right path to a quality weapon.

Have you seen this its a crowning endorsement of DD form a former Delta operator. I know for a fact that the first 3 I owned would not do this. My wifes duty rifle is a DD and I would not trust her life to anything less.
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Again, I here what your saying but I'm trying to change your point of view on it I guess. When I buy a gun, I buy it for ever, no crap! I dont see why anyone would buy less than mil spec. I have 4 ARs now but its not my first 4, I have been down the non mil spec road and it just is not worth it! I owned DPMS, Stag, Wilson Combat and Olympic before I settled on DD, LMT and BCM I paid more for the 4 hobby guns and they were quite litterly half the weapon. I'm not a fan boy I wasted my money and I'm trying to stear guys down the right path to a quality weapon.

Have you seen this its a crowning endorsement of DD form a former Delta operator. I know for a fact that the first 3 I owned would not do this. My wifes duty rifle is a DD and I would not trust her life to anything less.
Great video! I think I'm more impressed with the Aimpoint! DD has come a long way since they started producing.

That Aimpoint is going on my next battle rifle for sure.
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Great video! I think I'm more impressed with the Aimpoint! DD has come a long way since they started producing.

That Aimpoint is going on my next battle rifle for sure.
Aimpoint is always worth the money did you see they now have a 2MOA T1.
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Re: AR-15 Mil-Spec Vs After Market

Well all I can say is trying to figure out what M4 to buy is no easy feat. I have been researching trying to buy once and be done. I am more lost now than ever. Colt, DPMS, Sig,Spikes,LMT, how in the heck do I choose. Local guy that pushes Bushmaster one visit at this fellows place and I am told not to expect an accurate gun past 150 yards. What the heck I am not trying to be a hero but if I want to blast a coyote at 250 yards I ought to be able to do that. Stupid me.
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Re: AR-15 Mil-Spec Vs After Market

A lot of people bought them a couple years back when Obama got elected. Of these, many really don't shoot them. I can think of 3 people I know, including myself, that rarely shoot them. Of the 3, at least I belong to a gun club.

I wish I would have got the 20 inch barrel though. I want to do more long range stuff.
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