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Old 02-06-2012, 11:52 AM
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AR-15 Mil-Spec Vs After Market

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I think alot of guys claim mil spec few are, and if you dont buy one of them your buying CRAP!
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Old 02-09-2012, 02:37 PM
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Depends on what your expectations and uses are. There are various makers and manufacturers with the same varying degree of build precision, resulting in a few companies that nobody would buy from. If you're looking for a mil-spec'd weapon because you want it to be able to accept almost any and every mil-spec'd AR15 accessory and/or part ever invented, then buy a middle to upper end mil-spec'd upper and lower with mil-spec'd guts and add all of the mil-spec'd goodies your heart desires. If your uses dictate that all you're looking for in a weapon is to kill paper, to hunt with, or to take care of that occasional malfeasant that may want to enter your home and do you harm, a middle to upper end commercial version of an AR will suit your needs just fine. There are plenty of accessories that may or aren't mil-spec that will fit your weapon and will still do the job at hand. A well-built custom AR will work as well. In some cases and uses, one will suit you better than the other. Most well known commercial versions will still accept mil-spec'd parts and accessories. Some have tighter fit and finish. Some group better than others. Some charge extra amounts of money just because of a name, but think that 100yd. 2" groups on a good day is normal in hunting circles. Some will have hiccups when seeing that they're leaving the comfort of a range setting for the brush. All of the above, while being or not being mil-spec. I've had zero issues with ones that I've owned and few problems with ones that were issued, both M16 and AR15 versions, military issued or bought. I've yet to see a yote or paper that got lippy with me because I was using my built-to-mil-spec-but-not-a-full-mil-spec'd-platform AR without a chrome-lined 16" barrel instead of a Colt, for example. I like my weapons to be functional, reliable, accurate, to run without incident, and to be able to handle being outdoors in the elements when necessary. That doesn't mean they have to be battle tested, buried in cement and then dug up and test fired for effect, drug through a bunch of sand and mustard and ketchup, or tortured beyond comprehension before I brought it home in order for it to be worthy of performing to my needs and expectations. So as you can see, it's all up to what YOU intend to use it for, and what YOUR expectations are. I assure you, my built-to-mil-spec-but-not-a-full-mil-spec AR will kill every intruder in my house just as dead as an LMT, Colt, HK, etc., will, and still print 3" 5 shot groups at 400 yards. And do it every time. By the way, the last mil-spec I had was the last fully built to mil-spec I'll ever own. It's fit was terrible and so it was nicknamed the rattle trap. It's average was 4.5" groups at 200yds. And one of the feedramps had a burr big enough to gouge bullets and brass. As we all know, every manufacturer has the potential to produce a turd every now and then. I certainly thought that it was CRAP!
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Pretty important stuff when you're locking out of a sub with SEAL Team 6, or doing a HALO insertion with an A Team from Fifth Group, but beyond that, I wouldn't sweat it too much for what most of us are using our AR's for. There's even a few MilSpec items that I'd actively avoid (chrome lined barrels come to mind) if I wanted an accurate rifle. There's any number of AR Service Rifles on the line at Perry every year that may not be MilSpec, but I'll guarantee you, most will shoot far better than any MilSpec GI rifle you'll ever find.
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Pretty important stuff when you're locking out of a sub with SEAL Team 6, or doing a HALO insertion with an A Team from Fifth Group, but beyond that, I wouldn't sweat it too much for what most of us are using our AR's for. There's even a few MilSpec items that I'd actively avoid (chrome lined barrels come to mind) if I wanted an accurate rifle. There's any number of AR Service Rifles on the line at Perry every year that may not be MilSpec, but I'll guarantee you, most will shoot far better than any MilSpec GI rifle you'll ever find.
So true. Milspec is so dang over-rated in the AR-15 world. I wonder if people even understand what true milspec is, and how loose of a tolerance milspec allows. The truth is, that none of the semi automatic AR-15 rifles you can buy are truly milspec and many are built with better than milspec for quality purposes.
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So true. Milspec is so dang over-rated in the AR-15 world. I wonder if people even understand what true milspec is, and how loose of a tolerance milspec allows. The truth is, that none of the semi automatic AR-15 rifles you can buy are truly milspec and many are built with better than milspec for quality purposes.
So you’re saying there is a difference between the Colt you get at the gun shop, and the one the mil issues beside the fire control group? I would like to know what it is. Milspec is not just about tolerances, the materials used and the certifications of the manufacturing facility are a factor as well. Colt and LMT for instance are ISO 9000 certified and hold government contracts.
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So you’re saying there is a difference between the Colt you get at the gun shop, and the one the mil issues beside the fire control group? I would like to know what it is. Milspec is not just about tolerances, the materials used and the certifications of the manufacturing facility are a factor as well. Colt and LMT for instance are ISO 9000 certified and hold government contracts.
It's close in that it might have a few more mil spec rated parts than other manufacturers. The fact remains. As long as that Colt M4 clone has a semi-auto fire control group, a 16" barrel, and was not purchased to fulfill a government contract it is not a mil spec M4 no matter if they use 4150 chrome lined barrels or MIL-8625 Type 3 class 2 forged receivers and front site posts.

They are a bit closer since they ditched the shaved Bolt carriers, but it's still a civilian rifle no matter how you slice it. Will it function? No doubt, but will it function better than a Bushmaster or Stag M4 clone that costs $400 less? I highly doubt it.

There is a lot of good stuff out there that is not milspec. One needs to look beyond a fancy logo printed on the side, and consider the capability needed in their personal AR and either buy or build a rifle that meets the "myspec" category. The buyer will probably be happier with their weapon and the savings in the pocket book can be used to buy a lot of ammo. If it's a fancy logo wrapped with milspec parts that creates a fuzzy feeling that keeps someone warm at night then by all means let them spend the extra dollars, but know that the extra money isn't buying much.
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