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Old 11-29-2011, 10:30 PM
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Re: 2012 Tac 15 has a different scope

Not sure what the deal is about the scope change. I purchased my TAC-15i without a scope. Thus, if someone is not happy with the new scope; why not just buy a TAC-1x without a scope and put one of their own choosing on?
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Old 11-29-2011, 11:44 PM
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Re: 2012 Tac 15 has a different scope

Makes me wonder if PSE wants a part of the new Leupold Crossbones scope
market.
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Old 11-29-2011, 11:59 PM
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Re: 2012 Tac 15 has a different scope

In talking with person at PSE they stated they are not in the business to sell scopes, but include them in their "packages" because thats what the dealers want!!!! Yet the dealer I talked too said he was informed that all future shipments would have a different scope (2X7) I can't believe thats what dealers wanted!!
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Old 11-30-2011, 12:53 AM
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Re: 2012 Tac 15 has a different scope

Hi jimmy01,
It's your money, so of coarse the decision is yours in the end, but please keep a couple of basic points in mind before you make that final decision.

The basic PSE TAC15/15i crossbow has been largely unchanged for years now with the exception of redesigning and improving some of the early failing components.

In either case these things should not be your concern since PSE still offers the same original product warranty and they uphold it unconditionally. If you read the threads or speak to anybody who has had a failure or a problem (minor or major) the manufacturer has been outstanding in making sure their customers were satisfied buyers.

PSE is not the manufacturer of these scopes, they simply offer one as part of a package deal, but you can always order your TAC without it and purchase anything else on the market that meets your needs. This is not a reflection of the PSE's quality or commitment to their customers.

Like every good company in the US the cost of producing anything continues to rise each year and I'm sure you and everybody else out there would be very unhappy if those increased costs were being passed on to you in the new prices, so sometimes less important items need to be shaved in order to maintain the pricing of the main crossbow. That's where dealers like Len Backus are head and shoulders above the rest. Len offered you one of the original scopes as an exchange for the new ones, if you were interested in doing business with him.

It doesn't get any better than that no matter where you go or who you do business with!!!

If you believe that there is another manufacturer of a crossbow that can yield similar performance to that of the PSE TAC 15/15i series, then you probably haven't done enough homework yet. There are many articles and threads in the forums that are unlike anything you'll find on any other crossbow. Show me another crossbow that can accurately shoot at distances of over 100 yards and still have enough velocity to pass through a big game animal?

How about a 60 yard shot being to close for arrow grouping because you'll bust up all your arrows???

For the record, TAC15's will not be around forever. With the increase in manufacturing costs and the current low demand, you'll be lucky if PSE continues to produce these amazing crossbows more than another year or two.

Sources close to me have learned that of the two other companies that are making crossbows that are capable of 400+ fps neither can keep their crossbows from falling apart or blowing up, so PSE is still the best game in town for a high performance crossbow at this or any price, so think carefully before making your decision.

Regards,

Jon

Last edited by jon.henry755; 11-30-2011 at 12:56 AM. Reason: a yardage typo
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Old 11-30-2011, 12:58 AM
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Re: 2012 Tac 15 has a different scope

Hi jimmy01,
It's your money, so of coarse the decision is yours in the end, but please keep a couple of basic points in mind before you make that final decision.

The basic PSE TAC15/15i crossbow has been largely unchanged for years now with the exception of redesigning and improving some of the early failing components.

In either case these things should not be your concern since PSE still offers the same original product warranty and they uphold it unconditionally. If you read the threads or speak to anybody who has had a failure or a problem (minor or major) the manufacturer has been outstanding in making sure their customers were satisfied buyers.

PSE is not the manufacturer of these scopes, they simply offer one as part of a package deal, but you can always order your TAC without it and purchase anything else on the market that meets your needs. This is not a reflection of the PSE's quality or commitment to their customers.

Like every good company in the US the cost of producing anything continues to rise each year and I'm sure you and everybody else out there would be very unhappy if those increased costs were being passed on to you in the new prices, so sometimes less important items need to be shaved in order to maintain the pricing of the main crossbow. That's where dealers like Len Backus are head and shoulders above the rest. Len offered you one of the original scopes as an exchange for the new ones, if you were interested in doing business with him.

It doesn't get any better than that no matter where you go or who you do business with!!!

If you believe that there is another manufacturer of a crossbow that can yield similar performance to that of the PSE TAC 15/15i series, then you probably haven't done enough homework yet. There are many articles and threads in the forums that are unlike anything you'll find on any other crossbow. Show me another crossbow that can accurately shoot at distances of over 100 yards and still have enough velocity to pass through a big game animal?

How about a 60 yard shot being to close for arrow grouping because you'll bust up all your arrows???

For the record, TAC15's will not be around forever. With the increase in manufacturing costs and the current low demand, you'll be lucky if PSE continues to produce these amazing crossbows more than another year or two.

Sources close to me have learned that of the two other companies that are making crossbows that are capable of 400+ fps neither can keep their crossbows from falling apart or blowing up, so PSE is still the best game in town for a high performance crossbow at this or any price, so think carefully before making your decision.

Regards,

Jon
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Old 12-01-2011, 11:01 AM
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Re: 2012 Tac 15 has a different scope

JonHenry,
I appreciate your time and expertise information. I truely believe that you are one of the top guy's to take information from and look at all the main points. I have shot the tac 15i, and have killed 6 deer this year with my buddy's tac in 2 states. It is a nice x-bow, but is it $1500 nice with all the other options out there? I personally feel that as a consumer we are paying an extra $600-$700 for the over 400 F.P.S advertisement. There is alot of bows in that 350-385 F.P.S range that people love and say are making long range shots for alot less money. Dodge,Chevy,Gmc, there is always going to be controversy what is better and I understand that. We all have our favorites, but the one thing you stated that has me changing what I buy is the fact that you said P.S.E may only make the bow for another year or two. I have experienced that replacement parts cost go through the roof, Warranty work is drug out longer, and it is harder to find parts at certian point and time. I certainly can't afford to spend $1500 on a x-bow and not have it for several years. I am not one of those guy's who will be able to replace it whenever I want. I have saved for 2 years and still have a ways to go. I am saving for the best bow that I can find for I am disabled and I can't just work a little overtime and buy a new one if models are discontinued. They say marriage, and buying a house are the biggest decisions you will ever make, but I feel buying a X-bow is.
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Old 12-02-2011, 03:01 AM
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Re: 2012 Tac 15 has a different scope

Hi jimmy01,
If you've already tried the TAC 15, then only you can determine if it's worth the $1,500. that is being charged. Depending on the type and severity of your individual disability is also another key factor. I've read many threads from disabled hunters who have stated they are unable to load or handle certain crossbows, so for them one particular brand or type matters a great deal because they can't load or unload any of the others.

I'm not going to pretend that the cost that PSE charges is not extremely high. That kind of cash doesn't grow on trees, so it's very important to make sure you get exactly what you want when making the purchase decision. I do know that many of us who own these crossbows are either retired or have many other financial obligations, so the purchases are often considered "once in a lifetime" type purchases. It's for this very reason that everybody expects to get the utmost accuracy and durability out of their crossbows, but in as much as we try there are no absolute guarantees, so we rely on what is provided by the manufacturer from a warranty stand point, to a certain extent.

A great deal of the work and documentation that's been performed by myself, Super 91, Okiebowie, Buzzard Bait, author and numerous other members of this form has been an effort to provide more information than had ever been published in an effort to improve the owners knowledge and thereby improve the owner experience of accuracy and reliability.

Buying a good crossbow is only partially about what it is when you get it because many times it's also about what it can become with a little TLC and a bit of customizing. The TAC15 series crossbows are good out of the box, but they can evolve into something great with some additional changes. I can't say that others can or can't do this because I don't have enough first hand knowledge about the rest of the field of crossbows to know this for a fact.

You've asked us for some information about the TAC series crossbows and I hope we've given you enough information to help with your decision process. I know you'd like to hear nothing but rave reviews, but let's face it, that wouldn't be completely honest no matter who you heard it from. Every manufacturer of a product likes to keep the negative aspects and failures under the covers, so it doesn't affect their sales numbers. I'm sure PSE is no different, but that's the benefit of a website like this one. We don't soft sell anything about this crossbow. We've been very open about highlighting its good points and addressing any negatives it might have.

For the record, the reason I stated that in my opinion the TAC15/15i's may not be around much longer is because if you study the demographics of crossbow sales you'd notice that there aren't that many high priced crossbows sold each year. PSE was not the first maker of a 400+ fps crossbow. Bowtech made the Stryker a few years, but pulled it from their manufacturing line because it was considered a failed product because they couldn't sell enough of them to make it worth their effort to continue to produce them. They were in a similar price and performance range as the TAC15i.

It appears that the vast majority of crossbows sold in the United States are priced between $350 and about $800 and that accounts for over 80% of all crossbows sold. At the price points the TAC15's sell for they are targeted to only the top 10% of the market and there is competition amongst 3 or 4 makers for that 10% bracket.

With that said and the technology rapidly advancing how long would you guess that any of the top makers will continue producing the high end units?

From a pure engineering standpoint some of us are aware the technology and design work already exists to produce a crossbow that is capable of shooting at 500 fps. but only a few people could afford to touch it, so it stands to reason the big manufacturers are going to focus on the sweet spot in the market and they may or may not continue producing the high end products for any length of time.

Regards,

Jon
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