Originally Posted by Buano
Saying the best 20 gauge slugs are comparable to many muzzle-loaders does not elevate them to optimal elk loads. .
Based on that "optimal" logic, archery hunters and muzzleloader hunters should not hunt elk at all?. They certainly will never meet the "optimal elk killing load, what ever that is!
However, then maybe not 95% of the hunters can qualify under those limitations and then only using a 500 nitro with 500 grain slugs?
A 20 gauge slug into the shoulder of a large elk will likely not reach the heart/lungs. An animal hit this way will die, but likely several days later. The animal will die a slow painful death & the meat will be wasted.
IMO saying that modern 20 ga slugs will not penetrate is not based on any relative facts unless there is some study done that shows that other WAG speculation when we know factually that lighter muzzleloading sabots kill elk every year without anymore issues than a similar shot from a 300 Win Mag.
I would certainly not plan on a 200 yard shot, but just like any other situation, it depends on the angle, shooters ability, guns grouping etc before you pull the trigger. However, I certainly would not be afraid to pull the trigger if it lined up right. I know that slug will not get stopped by a shoulder.
This mindset is from being uninformed and not familiar with the current lineup of slugs. The "old lead pumpkin balls from a full choked bird gun is 30 years" in the past. The current slug guns use rifled barrels, accuracy that rivels many rifles and sabots with jacket bullets that are heavier and yet as fast as muzzleloaders, which no one questions IF they are shot within reasonable limits and experience of the shooter.