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Old 11-22-2012, 10:44 PM
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Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga FH;585HE/700HE, other Big Bores--

Happy Thanksgiving!
Fantastic guns! The latest BPI catalog arrived recently and has me really wanting to load for my 220. The loads/components you've shown have been a big help. Seeing the .58cal. bullets in the Commander wads made the lights come on! For a loader I'd like one of the old Lee Classic kits in .20ga that you use a small mallet with. I Could use it to build loads right at the range. That would save on time driving back and forth. The only re-loading experience I have is with one of these in 30-06 and found it very efficient.
Thanks again for all this great information!
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:29 AM
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Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga FH;585HE/700HE, other Big Bores--

Another good deal to use at the range if you want to size cases
back to better than factory, is a MEC Super Sizer. with 20ga collets in it.
You can put any gauge collets in same MEC. This sizer is so much better
than dies you force cases into, Just mount it on a piece of 2x8
couple ft long.

And the great reason I promote 58cal slugs, .575- 578" size, for 20ga
wads is, we will use them in the new 12ga accutip type of sabots
we are getting made soon, and I use in my 585HE long case. the .585"
ones, for target and lighter game and fun shooting with less recoil..
Kinda standardizing a variety of guns to use one diameter of
economical slugs... Ed
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Old 12-06-2012, 05:00 AM
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Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga FH;585HE/700HE, other Big Bores--

First is picture of the 8ga Falling Block with texturized paint finish
on the stock. It enhances the grip quite a bit on hard recoil guns.



Second is the Greener that I have my 585 HE in.Also have
12ga barrel for it..



Third is Magtech singleshot action that I'm experimenting
with putting on a thumbhole stock.



Fourth are the long bmg bulleted blank cases that I found, to use to
make my 700HE Long case, 4.27" long. I have few extra sets of
five in links like shown, extra to sell 5 at a time in links,
if some need them for their collections, etc... Ed

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Old 01-02-2013, 07:59 PM
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Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga FH;585HE/700HE, other Big Bores--

In our research to find economical and easy to use setups to load
various slug/sabot combos in 12, 20 and other gauges, you've
seen what we are doing with 58cal slugs in 12ga accutip type sabot we
are getting built, and 58cal slugs in 20ga BPI Commander shotwad.
You've seen pics of group shot by Ajay 58cal in 20ga Commander wad.
And Greg Sappington made 16ga HP slug that fit 12ga BPI CSD wad.
CSD wads are little thicker. In that vein we found another 20 ga combo
that uses the BPI 20ga CSD wads and larger diameter of the 54cal
muzzleloading slugs. Wad is thick and short so we can get the
volumne of our slow powder we want in the loads for higher speeds.
And base of CSD 20ga wad is thicker and stronger than most wads.
. It doesn't have built on cushion, doesn't need cushion, which is not
needed for slow powder loads. Has a good built on powder seal.
It is long so it can be cut to fit any 54cal slug length.
Best 54cal slugs to use are .543" and up.
There is .548" Sharps style 2nd in picture from Dixie Gunworks.There is
54cal Great Plains in picture on left, Far right in picture is 550 Magnum
jacketed bullets in 20ga CSD. Great for hogs, bear. There are a variety
of 54cal slugs you can cast or buy. Not big number like 58cal, but enough
to find good simple combo. Shot 3" group with 54cal Great Plains in
CSD at 30 yds, smooth bore. 380gr going over 2000 fps.
Second picture shows they even work and fit good in 20ga RMC brass.
Fits in a brass case real tight with .548" Sharps style slug in picture..





Third picture shows how we mono-block 585HE barrels into strong
singleshot break actions. Done it in NEFs, CBCs, Pedretti, Beretta,
and the Magtech 199 shown above.



Fourth picture is the O/U Tristar with 585HE on top and 3.5" 12ga bottom.
We sleeved the top barrel with .585" ID sleeve. We will use it with
the 58cal .585" Minie hollowbase slugs. Bottom just for shot loads
with a interchangeable chokes. Ed

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Old 01-15-2013, 02:02 AM
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Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga FH;585HE/700HE, other Big Bores--

Little work on non-discarding 12ga sabots,You can get SPW
wads without slugs in them and we set up one for a light load.
We put a 20ga Lyman in some and they stay together ok. Just
shorten the bottom skirt of Lyman and bevel the bottom corner.
Total weight sabot and all is 360gr,,Shown In the picture..
We also shrunk the skirt of the 12ga Lyman cast slug and put it
in 12ga SPW wads and total about 550gr. If you have Lyman
12ga mold, can use it as pattern to make a slug to go into a
SPW wad. Leave the top part same as original Lyman and make
bottom so it fits in the SPW with real tight fit.



I like to use P14/M17 Enfields for our testing. Great for my 585HE
case and in picture it shows how we change the sear spring to one
on the back of the sear. So we can open up the bottom to feed
the long cases from singlestack magazine box by removing the
unneeded front of the sear and metal above it in the bottom, giving
room to the back, for cases that are 3.9" plus overall loaded length.



Couple guys who are setting up 585HEs in singleshots are going
to shoot 58cal Minies and other bullets and use black powder
and/or substitutes. So I tested some with Pyrodex pellets,
Used 54cal, 60gr equivalent and they stack in the case ok,
and just beveled corner of bottom one so it set tight to the base.
As the case has good inside radius. Used 3 pellets with 24ga
card over pellets, 3/8" felt wad and another card with 440gr Minie.
There is a certain nostalgia about all that sulfur smell.If you can
stand the cleaning. Slug going 2100.. 4 pellets about 2400.

Here is picture of another long bullet in sabot/wad , in 12ga that
was sent to me. Ajay on Shotgun World put these together.



Did some testing, 12ga plastic & brass with new super slow RE-33 powder.
It fires off ok in 12ga with 700gr and heavier slugs, with shotgun primers
like RE-17 which is much slower than shotgun powders. .
It is made the same way as RE-17 as far as how the rate of burn
deterrent is put into the powder. Which is why it ignites in large diameter
cases like 12ga and BMG with shotgun primers. Really be great for super
heavy 1100 to 1500 grain slugs to get good speed and keep case damaging
peak pressures down. Example in 3.5" Fiocchi 12ga plastic case, 690gr slug in
BPI Helix Driver Wad with 180 gr RE-33 the basecup only expanded .002".
And they are thinner basecup than some..Ed
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:11 PM
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Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga FH;585HE/700HE, other Big Bores--

Ed, I loved reading about you and Rob's exploits in the "Big Bore" section on AR, and now you are here! Been wanting to make a 8 Bore myself. GOSH! We only live once!
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Old 01-20-2013, 08:08 PM
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Re: 12ga,10ga,8ga,4ga FH;585HE/700HE, other Big Bores--

I have to agree, these are some awesome posts! All the information and pictures are greatly appreciated!
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